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Post by epaul on Feb 9, 2016 20:15:07 GMT -5
umm, I don't have any results. I thought I would scoop the networks, but, I, um, don't have any results to scoop them with. Which kind of hollows out my scoop some.
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Post by Doug on Feb 9, 2016 20:22:08 GMT -5
With ~10% in
Sanders 56 Clinton 42
Trump 34 Kasich 16 Bush Cruz Rubio 12,11,10
Gonna make for a war in the second tier, no establishment candidate to fight Trump.
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Post by epaul on Feb 9, 2016 20:29:02 GMT -5
11% are now in. Not much change. Bernie picked up three votes to Hillary's one. Kasich is charging and now has 21 votes and is in a tie at top with "fuck it".
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Post by kenlarsson on Feb 9, 2016 20:32:12 GMT -5
CNN projects Trump and Sanders as winners.
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Post by Doug on Feb 9, 2016 20:44:14 GMT -5
Looks like Kasich and Bush are doing better than expected. Kasich a good debate and Bush spending a loooooooot of money.
Sanders stretching it out over Clinton 58 40 now.
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Post by Village Idiot on Feb 9, 2016 21:16:11 GMT -5
Do you guys buy buffalo wings and stuff and treat this like a superbowl party?
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Post by coachdoc on Feb 9, 2016 21:22:42 GMT -5
Do you guys buy buffalo wings and stuff and treat this like a superbowl party? Of course. Sorry you poor scmucks aren't in on the excitement. Bernie signs outnumbered everyone else's except at my polling place. The old factory towns seem to have bought in. |
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Post by Village Idiot on Feb 9, 2016 21:25:04 GMT -5
I was in on the excitement last week. You folks don't caucus, you vote, right? Is it set up like another election?
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Post by coachdoc on Feb 9, 2016 21:31:10 GMT -5
An election where there is only one race. (Well only one for each party.) Now you all thought there were only two choices on the Dem ballot? Just shy of twenty. I was flummoxed.
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Post by Village Idiot on Feb 9, 2016 22:41:28 GMT -5
Was Doug one of them?
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Post by Dub on Feb 9, 2016 23:52:01 GMT -5
Shirley, you jest. Doug as a D or an R? You're not thinking straight. |
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Post by epaul on Feb 9, 2016 23:55:00 GMT -5
Besides, Doug has already endorsed Hillary. It would be unseemly if he were to run against her.
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Post by jdd2 on Feb 10, 2016 0:26:28 GMT -5
Posted on some comments page:
"You know, if Trump went out on 5th Avenue and shot himself, I might consider supporting him."
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Post by lar on Feb 10, 2016 0:58:59 GMT -5
I was glad to see Kasich come in second. But since Trump's percentage of the vote was double that of Kasich I don't know that it matters much.
In two primaries Trump has come nowhere near getting a majority of the vote. The rest of the pack is just shifting position. There is a long way to go in this race and much more populous states yet to be heard from. Compared to the other candidates Trump is running strong nationwide at somewhere around 35%. That leaves 65% to the rest of the pack.
Can Trump be stopped unless one of the top 3 or 4 remaining candidates breaks out of the pack? As it looks now, it doesn't seem likely. The race will probably tighten up as candidates drop out. As of the most recent polls Cruz and Rubio are at about 19% and 16% respectively. Their poll numbers have risen as Carson's have fallen Since no one else has moved much that suggests that Cruz and Rubio have picked up supporters that Carson has lost. Rubio's numbers were rising but the latest debate may have taken the wind out of that. Still, I'm having a hard time seeing either Cruz or Rubio gaining a solid lead over the other.
Unless either Cruz or Rubio drops out it's not difficult to foresee Trump winning the nomination with strong support from no more than maybe 40% of the party. That would leave 60% of the Republicans with the option of voting for the party or seriously considering the Democratic nominee. That has to be an unsettling thought for the party leaders.
It should also be unsettling for Trump. He's in danger of winning the nomination and possibly the election but having limited power as president. It's not difficult to imagine that a Congress controlled by the Democrats is going to thumb their nose at every Trump proposal. By the same token, if the Republicans were to dominate Congress I wonder how likely it is that they would be willing to support the proposals and policies of a president who appears to be a Republican in name only.
The next 4 years and 11 months may be a very interesting period in this country's history.
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Post by Marshall on Feb 10, 2016 1:14:29 GMT -5
I was driving to an open mic. I heard Hillary and Bernie's speeches. And part of Trumps.
I was truly impressed with Hillary's speech. It sounded more like a victory speech. She knocked it out of the park. Whether or not I agree with her or not, she did her candidacy well. She finally reached out to people and spoke convincingly.
Bernie on the other hand sounded more like a consolation speech. REALLY. I was surprised. He sounded apologetic. He talked about the party having to come together behind whomever is the candidate in the fall to keep those evil republicans out of office. It really sounded like a concession speech.
I was surprised by both.
Then a little later Trump came on. i ws in the parking lot of where i wanted to be, so I didn't have much time. But I just had to see the flavor of the man. And true to Trump he talked about himself and his parents and his brothers and sister and wife and family. The first few minutes he didn't mention the people of New Hampshire. He didn't speak to the nation. He just talked about himself.
I say he's toast after the next batch of primaries. His TV show personality wasn't enough in Iowa. His brash NY style might play better than the other confusing lot in New England. But when the primaries move to the South and beyond, he'll fade like an overripe tomato.
And that's the political report from the road.
In other news I was happy with the MiSi Magpie pickup in the small system PA of the bar I was in. And I debuted "El Nino." (Not flawlessly. But it was the kind of place that that is OK).
Good night.
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Post by Doug on Feb 10, 2016 1:30:19 GMT -5
The race in November will come down to which party has the least stay at home voters.  |
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Post by brucemacneill on Feb 10, 2016 6:43:46 GMT -5
Reports are that there's a big drug addiction problem in New Hampshire. Maybe that explains it. Sanders never even claimed to be a Democrat but 2/3 of Democrats voted for him. Trump is more of a Democrat than Sanders and only 1/3 of Republicans voted for him. Kasich still has a chance to rise as the adult in the room.
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Post by coachdoc on Feb 10, 2016 6:57:36 GMT -5
And true to NH's live free or die attitude, check out who finished fourth in the Dem primary. Any of you gonna dig it out? The whole list is at WMUR TB site.
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Post by brucemacneill on Feb 10, 2016 7:05:47 GMT -5
And true to NH's live free or die attitude, check out who finished fourth in the Dem primary. Any of you gonna dig it out? The whole list is at WMUR TB site. Assume you mean Vermin Supreme. |
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Post by patrick on Feb 10, 2016 7:31:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't read too mcuh into these early primaries.
Look how quickly Deez Balls faded into obscurity.
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