|
Post by fauxmaha on Jul 26, 2016 14:55:43 GMT -5
"Trump is a secret, Russian mole"
Yeah, go with that one.
|
|
|
Post by TKennedy on Jul 26, 2016 16:27:55 GMT -5
Melania is a Ruski honey trap.
Wait till the debates. Putin has all Hillary's lost emails and transcripts of her talks to Wall Street.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 17:23:23 GMT -5
Wait till the debates. Putin has all Hillary's lost emails and transcripts of her talks to Wall Street. And that would be whose fault?
|
|
|
Post by lar on Jul 26, 2016 18:16:36 GMT -5
Actually, the audit is not preventing Trump from releasing his tax returns. They are his returns. He filed them. They are official unless or until the IRS gets done. What's preventing Trump from releasing his tax returns is Trump.
|
|
|
Post by jdd2 on Jul 26, 2016 18:21:49 GMT -5
Actually, the audit is not preventing Trump from releasing his tax returns. They are his returns. He filed them. They are official unless or until the IRS gets done. What's preventing Trump from releasing his tax returns is Trump. The release of candidates' returns for some number of years should become law, rather than just an accepted practice (that trump can thumb his nose at).
|
|
|
Post by lar on Jul 26, 2016 18:32:21 GMT -5
I may be wrong but I was under the impression that once the candidates become official they are compelled to release their tax returns. It's just an impression I have and I don't have facts to back that up.
|
|
|
Post by Fingerplucked on Jul 26, 2016 19:14:36 GMT -5
It's a tradition, not a law. It is now an expectation of Presidential candidates. Someone's refusal to follow the tradition should be a red flag. Lying about the reason for refusing to release goes well beyond that. It's just one more reason to scratch your head over Trump fans.
|
|
|
Post by brucemacneill on Jul 26, 2016 19:29:56 GMT -5
It's a tradition, not a law. It is now an expectation of Presidential candidates. Someone's refusal to follow the tradition should be a red flag. Lying about the reason for refusing to release goes well beyond that. It's just one more reason to scratch your head over Trump fans. I'm not a Trump fan but I know a few and they couldn't care less about his finances. They're relatively poor, he's rich and they think they'll do better financially and in security with Trump than with Hillary. A lot of them would rather have had another choice on the R side but it is what it is at this point.
|
|
|
Post by Doug on Jul 26, 2016 19:31:44 GMT -5
I'm of two minds on the tax returns. I think releasing them is good but I think it would be better in the long run for no candidate to release tax returns. Releasing tax returns will lead to releasing medical records including full DNA profiles, releasing all phone records, releasing all electronic communication etc.
Suppose they gave an election and no one ran. We have a hard enough time getting qualified people to run now (see crook and blowhard). Would you run for any office if every email you ever sent was made public and every phone call you ever made and your DNA profile.
|
|
|
Post by Fingerplucked on Jul 26, 2016 19:44:14 GMT -5
Releasing tax returns is usually a big yawn. It's only when candidates refuse or unreasonably drag their feet that it becomes an issue. It makes any reasonable person suspicious and leads to speculation.
In Trump's case I'm speculating that his net worth is nowhere near his claims, that he doesn't give to charity as he claims, and that he pays very low taxes. And I wouldn't rule out fraud and illegal deductions.
|
|
|
Post by patrick on Jul 26, 2016 19:55:23 GMT -5
Now George Will is saying that Trump won't release his tax returns because it would show that he is deeply colluding with Russian oligarchs. So Russian agencies hack the DNCs emails, then release them in an attempt to disrupt the Democratic convention, giving an advantage to Trump. Trump wins and Putin has a stooge in the White House as he takes over the countries of the former Soviet Union. Did I mention that Melania is a Putin agent? Well, that makes as much sense as anything else concerning Trump's ascension. Maybe...hmmm? Paul, are you trying to be logical about conspiracy theories? Do you not understand the entire point of conspiracy theories? If there were solid evidence, they wouldn't BE conspiracy theories! The very fact that there is no evidence to support the conspiracy theory is the best evidence FOR the conspiracy theory! For example, that all the scientists in the world are in a conspiracy to convince everyone of global warming to get the trillions of dollars that Greenpeace has so that libruls can take over the world.
|
|
|
Post by Doug on Jul 26, 2016 20:11:22 GMT -5
Well, that makes as much sense as anything else concerning Trump's ascension. Maybe...hmmm? Paul, are you trying to be logical about conspiracy theories? Do you not understand the entire point of conspiracy theories? If there were solid evidence, they wouldn't BE conspiracy theories! The very fact that there is no evidence to support the conspiracy theory is the best evidence FOR the conspiracy theory! For example, that all the scientists in the world are in a conspiracy to convince everyone of global warming to get the trillions of dollars that Greenpeace has so that libruls can take over the world. Biologist, Chemist, Physicist? The rest of them aren't scientist.
|
|
|
Post by Doug on Jul 26, 2016 20:14:16 GMT -5
Releasing tax returns is usually a big yawn. It's only when candidates refuse or unreasonably drag their feet that it becomes an issue. It makes any reasonable person suspicious and leads to speculation. In Trump's case I'm speculating that his net worth is nowhere near his claims, that he doesn't give to charity as he claims, and that he pays very low taxes. And I wouldn't rule out fraud and illegal deductions. But are you willing to live with the unintended consequences.
|
|
|
Post by lar on Jul 26, 2016 20:18:46 GMT -5
It's a tradition, not a law. It is now an expectation of Presidential candidates. Someone's refusal to follow the tradition should be a red flag. Lying about the reason for refusing to release goes well beyond that. It's just one more reason to scratch your head over Trump fans. I'm not a Trump fan but I know a few and they couldn't care less about his finances. They're relatively poor, he's rich and they think they'll do better financially and in security with Trump than with Hillary. A lot of them would rather have had another choice on the R side but it is what it is at this point. The mindset of the die-hard Trump supporters is something I've always had difficulty understanding. He was born rich, went to private schools, live a rich kid life, because of his rich kid status he started his real estate empire with a bankroll, status and opportunity, and he lives a rich man lifestyle. I fail to see any connection between that and the common man. How could Trump possibly understand the man or woman on the street? His rhetoric is full of stuff that appeals to the masses but if they stopped and thought about it for a moment they would realize that Trump's complaints are all directed at people like himself. Boogles my mind. How did Donald Trump make a million dollars? He started with 2 million.
|
|
|
Post by patrick on Jul 26, 2016 20:19:30 GMT -5
Oh, sweet whisperings indeed!
|
|
|
Post by epaul on Jul 26, 2016 23:51:57 GMT -5
Well, that makes as much sense as anything else concerning Trump's ascension. Maybe...hmmm? Paul, are you trying to be logical about conspiracy theories? Do you not understand the entire point of conspiracy theories? If there were solid evidence, they wouldn't BE conspiracy theories! The very fact that there is no evidence to support the conspiracy theory is the best evidence FOR the conspiracy theory! For example, that all the scientists in the world are in a conspiracy to convince everyone of global warming to get the trillions of dollars that Greenpeace has so that libruls can take over the world. You misunderstand, I'm coming around. The lack of evidence is the proof. It is all there right in front of our noses. The Russians instruct Melania to seduce Trump. Melania introduces Trump to Russian oligarchs who loan Trump money, which he promptly loses. They loan him more money, which he again loses. Trump is in deep shit. Trump and Putin have a little talk. Debts are put on hold, more money shows up, and a candidacy is born. Well, if that's what it takes to get us out of the Middle East and an insanely expanded and entangling NUTSO NATO, I'm in! No way in hell is my kid going to get shot for Turkey or Slovania or Bulgaria or Slovakia or Croatia or Estonia or Latvia or Lithuania, all NATO members that we are signed up to go to war for. What the fuck is wrong with the brainiacs that entangled this country into war alliances with that Baltic mess! They can haul their own fat asses to fight for that dumbass deal. The day the USSR fell apart, NATO should have been disbanded, its purpose over, not expanded to include every darn country in and around Europe except lonely Russia, including some that were just made up. And another thought, if we had invested the 67 quadrillion dollars we have flushed down the toilet in the Middle East these last twenty years or so in the economies of Mexico and Central America, we might have a stable and prosperous neighborhood...instead of one that is collapsing on our doorstep. And I know exactly where Hillary is going to keep pointlessly flushing our dollars. When will we ever learn...
|
|
|
Post by jdd2 on Jul 27, 2016 2:00:50 GMT -5
... When will we ever learn...
|
|
|
Post by brucemacneill on Jul 27, 2016 6:49:34 GMT -5
... When will we ever learn... Interesting that you picked a Russian folk song.
|
|
|
Post by brucemacneill on Jul 27, 2016 6:50:24 GMT -5
Releasing tax returns is usually a big yawn. It's only when candidates refuse or unreasonably drag their feet that it becomes an issue. It makes any reasonable person suspicious and leads to speculation. In Trump's case I'm speculating that his net worth is nowhere near his claims, that he doesn't give to charity as he claims, and that he pays very low taxes. And I wouldn't rule out fraud and illegal deductions. I don't recall seeing a line item on the tax forms for net worth.
|
|
|
Post by Cosmic Wonder on Jul 28, 2016 8:45:09 GMT -5
At what point does Putin decide that Trump is a loose cannon and have the KGB silence him for good? After he loses the election?
Mike
|
|