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Post by Doug on Sept 2, 2016 19:04:18 GMT -5
Just another agricultural product. Should be treated the same way as tomatoes, etc.
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Post by Phil N. Theblank on Sept 2, 2016 20:55:39 GMT -5
consider this: www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/court-upholds-ban-gun-sales-marijuana-card-holders-n640951Quote: A federal ban on the sale of guns to holders of medical marijuana cards doesn't violate the Second Amendment, a federal appeals court said Wednesday. The ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco came in a lawsuit filed by S. Rowan Wilson, a Nevada woman who said she tried to buy a firearm for self-defense in 2011 after having obtained a medical marijuana card. The gun store refused, citing the federal rule banning the sale of firearms to illegal drug users. Marijuana remains illegal under federal law, and the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has told gun sellers they can assume that a person with a medical marijuana card uses the drug. Related: Do Medical Marijuana Users Have Right to Bear Arms? No, Says ATF The 9th Circuit said in its 3-0 decision that Congress reasonably concluded that marijuana and other drug use "raises the risk of irrational or unpredictable behavior with which gun use should not be associated." Wilson's attorney, Chaz Rainey, said there needs to be more consistency in applying the Second Amendment. He planned to appeal. "We live in a world where having a medical marijuana card is enough to say you don't get a gun, but if you're on the no-fly list, your constitutional right is still protected," he said. Paul Armentano, deputy director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, said the idea that marijuana users were more prone to violence is a fallacy. "Responsible adults who use cannabis in a manner that is compliant with the laws of their states ought to receive the same legal rights and protections as other citizens," he said. The ruling applies only in the nine Western states that fall under the court's jurisdiction, including California, Washington and Oregon.
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Post by majorminor on Sept 2, 2016 21:34:49 GMT -5
Going 12 miles an hour down the freeway does not mean you were a better driver Tom.
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Post by PaulKay on Sept 3, 2016 12:24:55 GMT -5
I don't smoke dope, that's my choice. But there is no doubt in my mind that it should be legal. There is also no doubt that no one should operate a vehicle while they are impaired, but human nature being what it is.... No good solutions to this. There seems (to me) to be enough anecdotal evidence about its effectiveness in managing pain that government funded studies should be ongoing, but politics and entrenched positions seem to keep that from happening. We are one fucked up species. Mike The problem with that is establishing the degree of impairment. If it actually exists and how to measure it. I don't smoke anymore but I don't think it ever made me "impaired" as far as driving is concerned. In fact, I was a better driver than if I had beer. I recall my doctor here telling me that in AZ if you are tested for the level of marijuana in your system as a result of a traffic stop, ANY positive result is treated as being under the influence. So given that it could takes weeks for any marijuana use to clear your system, you could be jailed here even if it was weeks ago you smoked. How screwed up is that? Yes you can leagally use it at home, but don't dare drive for 6 weeks? Good thing they don't actually have a way to test for it at a traffic stop.
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Post by RickW on Sept 3, 2016 12:45:38 GMT -5
They do have road side tests for it here, too. Not sure of the levels, though as it's still illegal, there is a case to be made for any amount to be an offense.
There is so much evidence of what it does for chronic sufferers, it's a shame that it has taken this long. But I'm with Tom and Marshall - it's a way less nasty drug than alchohol is, it should simply be unregulated. And people should be allowed to grow their own.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 17:45:29 GMT -5
Going 12 miles an hour down the freeway does not mean you were a better driver Tom. You obviously don't know me if you think I drive 12 MPH anywhere outside of my driveway.
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Post by patrick on Sept 4, 2016 9:57:45 GMT -5
Meanwhile, there is a news story out of WA that reports the Washington ferrys are having problems with people driving their cars onto the ferrys and then walking off the ferry at their destination FORGETTING their cars. Mike They should get an app for their phones that allows them to geotag where they parked their cars. Then, when they get to the other side, they just look at their phone to find their car!
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Post by RickW on Sept 4, 2016 11:43:46 GMT -5
Meanwhile, there is a news story out of WA that reports the Washington ferrys are having problems with people driving their cars onto the ferrys and then walking off the ferry at their destination FORGETTING their cars. Mike They should get an app for their phones that allows them to geotag where they parked their cars. Then, when they get to the other side, they just look at their phone to find their car! Brilliance. I never thought of this before, but thought, sure, it's possible. There are lots of folks, including my youngest daughter, lose track of their car all the time. It's not like it would be that hard to write. So I found a link with a bunch of them. appadvice.com/appguides/show/car-finding
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 17:02:54 GMT -5
There are landmarks in all large parking lots. Anyone who doesn't determine where they're parked when they leave their car deserves not to find it. Just sayin'.
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Post by Doug on Sept 4, 2016 19:29:39 GMT -5
There are landmarks in all large parking lots. Anyone who doesn't determine where they're parked when they leave their car deserves not to find it. Just sayin'. Yeah but if it gets left in that parking lot the boat has sailed.
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