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Post by millring on Dec 13, 2017 11:06:16 GMT -5
How does a garden statue paddle his boat?
With a gnome oar.
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Post by Shannon on Dec 13, 2017 11:46:42 GMT -5
I think "Alabamans" is properly correct, but most of us would say "Alabamians".
Whatever we are, we are sick of hearing about this election.
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Post by fauxmaha on Dec 13, 2017 11:46:44 GMT -5
I can't help but think that the "winners and losers" yesterday are the opposite of what it appears on the surface.
No bigger winner than Trump.
And no bigger winner than Moore.
I don't think either one appreciates the extent to which they dodged about a trillion bullets yesterday.
The big loser, of course, is Franken. He's not only gone, he will be forever remembered in the same breath as Roy Moore. Ugh.
Jones is half a winner. He's the new Scott Brown. He'll get a couple of years in the minority in the Senate, and then Alabama will toss him.
The big question of the day is who is queued up to be the next target of the Two Minute Hate, now that Moore's been vanquished. Does the Social Media Rage Monkey point itself back at Hollywood? What about all those rumored harassment payouts from the congressional slush fund?
Or maybe this whole thing fizzles out. My sense is that the nation is growing weary of being in a perpetual state of outrage. It's exhausting.
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Post by AlanC on Dec 13, 2017 11:50:53 GMT -5
Maybe after the congressional hush money payout is examined? Then we can move on? I don't see it before then. I wanna see the list. Let's get it all out there and then move on. Congress, then the NFL, then potters, then we will be done.
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Post by patrick on Dec 13, 2017 11:52:04 GMT -5
Devastated Roy Moore Consoles Himself by Heading to Mall
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Post by millring on Dec 13, 2017 11:52:53 GMT -5
Hey, wait a minute. I can't help but think that somebody just tried to slip something by me.
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Post by patrick on Dec 13, 2017 11:58:43 GMT -5
Maybe after the congressional hush money payout is examined? Then we can move on? I don't see it before then. I wanna see the list. Let's get it all out there and then move on. Congress, then the NFL, then potters, then we will be done. Definitely potters. They've had a free ride for too long. Let John try to deny ACTUAL PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE!
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Post by millring on Dec 13, 2017 12:01:55 GMT -5
And there's even a Moore in the photo. Coincidence? I doubt it.
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Post by Russell Letson on Dec 13, 2017 12:02:44 GMT -5
A couple segments of the citizenry have been in a "perpetual state of outrage" for most of the last decade, and that's not likely to change just because Jones squeaked through and Franken got run out by his own party. There are actual shitty situations that continue to not-get-addressed adequately and imaginary situations that shit-stirrers like Bannon, Alex Jones, and others will continue to invent or encourage. I don't think that the current administration is equipped (or maybe inclined) to do the hard thinking and hard work of clearing away the accumulated nonsense, mythology, and obfuscation necessary to get at the roots of the real problems.
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Post by patrick on Dec 13, 2017 12:07:48 GMT -5
Big winner?
Susan Collins of Maine, Murkowski of Alaska, and any moderate Republican (or conservative Democrat) willing to break with their caucus on a vote. Once Jones is in and the balance is 51R to 49D in the Senate, McConnell will not be able to lose even 2 votes on anything.
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Post by fauxmaha on Dec 13, 2017 12:08:26 GMT -5
A couple segments of the citizenry have been in a "perpetual state of outrage" for most of the last decade, and that's not likely to change just because Jones squeaked through and Franken got run out by his own party. There are actual shitty situations that continue to not-get-addressed adequately and imaginary situations that shit-stirrers like Bannon, Alex Jones, and others will continue to invent or encourage. I don't think that the current administration is equipped (or maybe inclined) to do the hard thinking and hard work of clearing away the accumulated nonsense, mythology, and obfuscation necessary to get at the roots of the real problems. That may be true, but it's actually orthogonal to my point. Outrage is a poor long term motivator. If our goal is to "clear away the accumulated nonsense", outrage is exactly the wrong tool. As has been readily demonstrated, outrage only manufactures more nonsense.
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Post by Marshall on Dec 13, 2017 12:44:00 GMT -5
I can't help but think that the "winners and losers" yesterday are the opposite of what it appears on the surface. No bigger winner than Trump. And no bigger winner than Moore. I don't think either one appreciates the extent to which they dodged about a trillion bullets yesterday. The big loser, of course, is Franken. He's not only gone, he will be forever remembered in the same breath as Roy Moore. Ugh. Jones is half a winner. He's the new Scott Brown. He'll get a couple of years in the minority in the Senate, and then Alabama will toss him. The big question of the day is who is queued up to be the next target of the Two Minute Hate, now that Moore's been vanquished. Does the Social Media Rage Monkey point itself back at Hollywood? What about all those rumored harassment payouts from the congressional slush fund? Or maybe this whole thing fizzles out. My sense is that the nation is growing weary of being in a perpetual state of outrage. It's exhausting. You're crazy on Trump You're crazy on Moore Franken - I'll give you that. Jones - You're right. Yes - The two minute hate will roll on. Yes - the nation will (is?) tire of the perpetual state. It's a fad. Like the Folk Scare, we'll all get over it.
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Post by majorminor on Dec 13, 2017 12:44:17 GMT -5
The big question of the day is who is queued up to be the next target of the Two Minute Hate, now that Moore's been vanquished. Does the Social Media Rage Monkey point itself back at Hollywood? What about all those rumored harassment payouts from the congressional slush fund? Or maybe this whole thing fizzles out. My sense is that the nation is growing weary of being in a perpetual state of outrage. It's exhausting. Been a lot of "yes ma'am and no ma'am" lately out of me. I won't even tell my dog she looks pretty.
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Post by Russell Letson on Dec 13, 2017 13:08:20 GMT -5
Outrage is a poor long term motivator. If our goal is to "clear away the accumulated nonsense", outrage is exactly the wrong tool. As has been readily demonstrated, outrage only manufactures more nonsense. I think maybe your response is othogonal to my response, which by a commodious vicus of recirculation brings us to this: The effectiveness of outrage might depend on the nature of the outrage-generating phenomemon and the makeup of the outraged group. It can be argued that both the civil rights and anti-Vietnam War movements were fueled by outrage--the former long-simmering and the latter by hotter fires. Both were effective. Of course, outrage can be, if not manufactured, at least manipulated and stoked and directed by a sufficiently canny and cynical set of operators, which is how I see Bannon (for one). But then, "outrage" is itself an interestingly loaded term, and using it to cover everything from deep resentments of systemic abuses (voter suppression, tolerance of abuses of power, pandering to the kleptocratic class) to shooting up a restaurant over bogus accounts of secret pedophilia rings pretty much drains it of descriptive or analytical usefulness.
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Post by dradtke on Dec 13, 2017 13:32:50 GMT -5
To be fair to Roy Moore, I don't believe the charges that he's a pedophile. A pedophile is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. The correct term would be hebephile, someone who is attracted to 11-14 year-olds, or an ephebophile who is attracted to 15-18 year-olds.
And in the interest of transparency, I will admit that I, too - like Moore - spent a year or two trying to have sex with 16 year-old girls. To be accurate, it would have been around 1970 and I was not noticeably successful, even if it was the year I bought my first guitar.
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Post by theevan on Dec 13, 2017 14:04:12 GMT -5
I think "Alabamans" is properly correct, but most of us would say "Alabamians". Whatever we are, we are sick of hearing about this election. The "ian" curse seems to be official these days. I first noticed it when Bobby Jindal constantly said "Louisianians" instead of the more familiar & mellifluous Louisianans. Bobby was always precise to a fault so I figured it was official.
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Post by billhammond on Dec 13, 2017 14:26:27 GMT -5
I think "Alabamans" is properly correct, but most of us would say "Alabamians". Whatever we are, we are sick of hearing about this election. The "ian" curse seems to be official these days. I first noticed it when Bobby Jindal constantly said "Louisianians" instead of the more familiar & mellifluous Louisianans. Bobby was always precise to a fault so I figured it was official. I wonder how Nebraskian Jeff Miller feels about this.
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Post by dradtke on Dec 13, 2017 14:30:28 GMT -5
The "ian" curse seems to be official these days. I first noticed it when Bobby Jindal constantly said "Louisianians" instead of the more familiar & mellifluous Louisianans. Bobby was always precise to a fault so I figured it was official. I wonder how Nebraskian Jeff Miller feels about this. Millerian, I imagine.
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Post by millring on Dec 13, 2017 14:31:01 GMT -5
Probably wishing he'd never left the Hoosier land.
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Post by dradtke on Dec 13, 2017 14:31:50 GMT -5
Indianaianian?
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