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Post by Marshall on May 2, 2018 8:35:26 GMT -5
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Post by AlanC on May 2, 2018 9:10:12 GMT -5
That was awesome. Wish I could watch it with Howard so he could add comments about where they are, what building, etc. I sent it to Baby Dottir who will be flying out of JFK when she finishes her Jet Blue training.
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Post by Cornflake on May 2, 2018 9:15:35 GMT -5
I saw that elsewhere and I thought it was wonderful.
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Post by millring on May 2, 2018 9:37:38 GMT -5
Same here
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Post by james on May 2, 2018 10:38:23 GMT -5
The openculture homepage has links to loads and loads of cool, free media and stuff. www.openculture.com/
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Post by Dub on May 2, 2018 10:52:49 GMT -5
Do we know anything about the sound track for that 1911 film? I know there was synchronized sound on recorded discs as early as 1900 but the first films that included synchronized sound didn’t appear until 1923. The first feature film with sound was 1927.
I wonder if sound was added during restoration using Foley or something.
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Post by brucemacneill on May 2, 2018 11:00:20 GMT -5
Do we know anything about the sound track for that 1911 film? I know there was synchronized sound on recorded discs as early as 1900 but the first films that included synchronized sound didn’t appear until 1923. The first feature film with sound was 1927. I wonder if sound was added during restoration using Foley or something. I had a Foley after my colon surgery. I let a student nurse put it in figuring she needed to learn somewhere.
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Post by Marshall on May 2, 2018 11:07:26 GMT -5
Do we know anything about the sound track for that 1911 film? I know there was synchronized sound on recorded discs as early as 1900 but the first films that included synchronized sound didn’t appear until 1923. The first feature film with sound was 1927. I wonder if sound was added during restoration using Foley or something. I would guess that's a totally made up soundtrack to fit the video.
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Post by brucemacneill on May 2, 2018 11:19:48 GMT -5
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Post by AlanC on May 2, 2018 11:29:17 GMT -5
I wish I knew the one legged guy's story. You see him several times. I wonder if he was a Civil War or Spanish American War vet. Or maybe he just had an unfortunate accident. And the suits.... EVERYBODY wore a suit. Just think of the stares I would get if I sauntered by in my cut-offs and flip flops.
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Post by theevan on May 2, 2018 12:12:55 GMT -5
Confounded horseless carriages!
I see they edited out all the fat people.
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Post by Chesapeake on May 2, 2018 18:16:24 GMT -5
I hadn't seen this one - thanks. What strikes me about these things is how photography - moving or still - can make the long-ago seem so much closer to our own day. When you see actual photographs of veterans of the American Revolution (you read that right), showing detail right down to the buttons on their jackets and the stubble on their chins, you're reminded that they were real live people, not just legends.
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Post by Village Idiot on May 2, 2018 20:32:41 GMT -5
I wish I knew the one legged guy's story. You see him several times. I wonder if he was a Civil War or Spanish American War vet. Or maybe he just had an unfortunate accident. And the suits.... EVERYBODY wore a suit. Just think of the stares I would get if I sauntered by in my cut-offs and flip flops. I'd guess there were a million ways to lose a leg back then. He might have worked in one of those factories designed without a thought of safety in mind. The suits are interesting. I wonder what time of year it was? It's possible they wore those in July, despite the heat.
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Post by Cornflake on May 2, 2018 20:47:39 GMT -5
"What strikes me about these things is how photography - moving or still - can make the long-ago seem so much closer to our own day. When you see actual photographs of veterans of the American Revolution (you read that right), showing detail right down to the buttons on their jackets and the stubble on their chins, you're reminded that they were real live people, not just legends."
Yup. During my convalescence, which is a fancy word for doing nothing (which I do quite well), I read Beaumont Newhall's history of photography. He discusses the impact of the Civil War photos showing dead bodies. There had long been dead bodies in paintings, he observed, but the real dead bodies in Civil War photos struck viewers in a different way.
I was looking at a lot of photos of people taken in the 1860s and thereabouts in the book. Some of the people looked strong, some beautiful. And as I looked at them I was thinking: every single one of them is dead. It's not as if this was the first time mortality had crossed my mind, but photographs brought it home in a new way.
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Post by Village Idiot on May 2, 2018 20:57:36 GMT -5
I hadn't seen this one - thanks. What strikes me about these things is how photography - moving or still - can make the long-ago seem so much closer to our own day. When you see actual photographs of veterans of the American Revolution (you read that right), showing detail right down to the buttons on their jackets and the stubble on their chins, you're reminded that they were real live people, not just legends. r Very interesting. Dub, did you take those pictures? They remind me of Oliver Wendell Holmes' The Last LeafI saw him once before, As he passed by the door, And again The pavement stones resound, As he totters o’er the ground With his cane. They say that in his prime, Ere the pruning-knife of Time Cut him down, Not a better man was found By the Crier on his round Through the town. But now he walks the streets, And looks at all he meets Sad and wan, And he shakes his feeble head, That it seems as if he said, “They are gone.” The mossy marbles rest On the lips that he has prest In their bloom, And the names he loved to hear Have been carved for many a year On the tomb. My grandmamma has said— Poor old lady, she is dead Long ago— That he had a Roman nose, And his cheek was like a rose In the snow; But now his nose is thin, And it rests upon his chin Like a staff, And a crook is in his back, And a melancholy crack In his laugh. I know it is a sin For me to sit and grin At him here; But the old three-cornered hat, And the breeches, and all that, Are so queer! And if I should live to be The last leaf upon the tree In the spring, Let them smile, as I do now, At the old forsaken bough Where I cling.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 23:10:57 GMT -5
That was awesome. Wish I could watch it with Howard so he could add comments about where they are, what building, etc. I sent it to Baby Dottir who will be flying out of JFK when she finishes her Jet Blue training. Alan, I can't guide you through the entire film without us watching it together. I have seen this footage before, and believe me when I say a great deal of the city has changed—radically—since 1911. It has changed radically since I was a teenager. However, I can tell you that I know where the freeze frame is that you're seeing before you click on the Start button. The cameraman is standing in the street at the intersection of Broadway (at left) and Fifth Avenue (at right) looking south x southeast and south. The street bisecting the two avenues from left to right is 23rd Street, East 23rd to the left of Broadway and West 23rd to the right of Fifth Avenue. (Also notice the piles of horse manure everywhere in the streets and the horseless carriages rolling right over them.) That funny-looking building that looks like a ship's prow is the 22-story Flatiron Building, completed in 1902, so you are looking south into the Flatiron "district," and to your left across Broadway would be Madison Square Park, where the right arm of the Statue of Liberty was placed on display in 1884, two years before she was completely assembled on Liberty Island. Visitors were allowed to climb the stairs into the torch and, in 1884, you could see a long way from up there. There is some footage that looks like lower Broadway around what I think may be Trinity Church (Hamilton is buried there), as well as some shots in and around Union Square, bounded by Park Avenue South and Broadway between 14th and 18th Streets. And toward the end, that bridge with the trolleys and the subway cars crossing it, as well as the pedestrian walkway? That's the Brooklyn Bridge.
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Post by Marshall on May 3, 2018 10:25:59 GMT -5
(Also notice the piles of horse manure everywhere in the streets and the horseless carriages rolling right over them.) That was my first impression of the video. New York (and all major cities in the day) were smelly smoggy places. Foul air. Buildings were heated by burning coal. In the book Devil in the White City about the 1883 Chicago World's Fair, there are descriptions of the city. The big reason penthouse apartments were so desirable by the rich was not for the view, but because you were raised above the stench and foul air of the streets below.
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Post by james on May 3, 2018 10:44:47 GMT -5
On horses and their manure etc. Horses Horse Manure In the 1890s the key environmental concern was horse manure. London had 11,000 cabs and several thousand buses, each using 12 horses per day - more than 50,000 horses in public transport alone. Each horse produces 15-35 lbs of manure per day; New York had 2.5 million lbs per day to shift, leading a New York Times editorial to comment in 1894, 'how much pleasanter the streets of a great city would be if the horse was an extinct animal.' 'Crossing sweepers' were employed to clear paths through the dung, which was either sludge in wet weather or a fine powder which blew about in the dry. The piles of manure produced huge numbers of flies, which spread typhoid fever and other diseases; it's estimated that three billion flies hatched in horse manure per day in US cities in 1900, and in New York, 20,000 deaths per year were blamed on manure. Furthermore, each horse produced about two pints of urine daily; 40,000 gallons per day in New York. They were incredibly noisy (iron shoes on cobbles made conversation impossible on busy streets), and much more dangerous than modern traffic (horses kick, bite and bolt; the fatality rate was 75% higher per capita than today). And then there were the dead horses. The average streetcar horse had a life expectancy of about three years; in 1880, New York cleared 15,000 carcasses from its streets, 41 per day. Dead horses were unwieldy, and street cleaners often waited several days for the corpses to putrefy so they could more easily be sawed into pieces. In spite of this widespread pessimism, the problem had all but disappeared within two decades. Electric trams, then cars and motor buses led to a rapid collapse in the horse population; in 1912, New York, London and Paris traffic counts showed more cars than horses for the first time, and most cities experienced their first motor traffic jams in 1914. At the time, the motor-car was widely hailed as an environmental saviour, and some modern environmental sceptics draw from this story the conclusion that environmental problems just sort themselves out if you wait long enough. qi.com/infocloud/horses
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Post by patrick on May 3, 2018 12:19:00 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on May 3, 2018 13:18:50 GMT -5
the motor-car was widely hailed as an environmental saviour, Horses have no sphincter muscles. It just comes out without any control by the animal.
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