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Post by Chesapeake on Nov 7, 2018 22:03:28 GMT -5
White house suspends CNN's Jim Acosta's press credentialsThis is a serious, direct attack on the press, the kind of thing that the White House has been hinting might be forthcoming from the very beginning of this administration's press operations, the Sean Spicer era. It would seem to call for a serious, direct response. Like continuing to report on the Trump White House, but just not from the press room. We don't need no stinkin' badges.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 7, 2018 22:11:59 GMT -5
White house suspends CNN's Jim Acosta's press credentialsThis is a serious, direct attack on the press, the kind of thing that the White House has been hinting might be forthcoming from the very beginning of this administration's press operations, the Sean Spicer era. It would seem to call for a serious, direct response. Like continuing to report on the Trump White House, but just not from the press room. We don't need no stinkin' badges. Great idea. Make it happen. Heck, report on the White House from your basements (just make sure you put your pants on if you're going to be on camera).
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Post by david on Nov 7, 2018 22:38:51 GMT -5
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Post by Chesapeake on Nov 7, 2018 23:00:14 GMT -5
The fireworks really started when the young woman tried to grab the mic out of Acosta's hands. If they're going to start doing physical stuff, they're going to have to get bigger people and give them protective gear. Which, I suppose, is the next step. Grabbing mics and throwing out reporters because you don't like the questions they ask is a quantum leap in the direction of a third-world dictatorship. More uncharted waters.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 7, 2018 23:02:18 GMT -5
What would it take for me to take this self-important horseshit from the press seriously? Doubt there's anything. Can't figure out why I should care about what the press does. Not like it matters in real time.
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Post by Chesapeake on Nov 7, 2018 23:16:24 GMT -5
Tweet by Adrienne Barbeau:
If we're refusing people access to the White House because they "place (their) hands" on a woman, well, someone please close the door on the guy who likes to grab 'em by their p****y. And keep him out.
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Post by Chesapeake on Nov 7, 2018 23:19:18 GMT -5
You've convinced me. You're right.
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Post by david on Nov 7, 2018 23:40:52 GMT -5
What would it take for me to take this self-important horseshit from the press seriously? Doubt there's anything. Can't figure out why I should care about what the press does. Not like it matters in real time. This is what I do not understand. I know Peter is a very intelligent man who has a lot of political and life experience. He is not racist nor a rich demagogue with an axe to grind. But he buys into Trump's BS. I just cannot understand his, or others', devotion to Trump. I suspect that Peter considers me a lefty from Oregon, but I voted for a republican governor (Buehler). I like guns. I am pretty much into the right to life movement. But how the hell could I possibly support a lying piece of scum like Trump? How could I not want to have a free press that can openly query the president without retaliation?
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Post by millring on Nov 8, 2018 5:44:11 GMT -5
Enough of the press has proven a willingness to bend the truth in their opposition to Republicans, and break it in pursuit of Trump. Numbness set in. We've come running to the cries of "WOLF!" too many times. We simply don't hear it anymore.
For the first time in my life I cast a straight line party ballot for a party I don't believe in for the one simple reason: They are the victims of an out of control press, and they finally have one member who understands who the real opposition in Washington is.
You can dismiss rants of GINs. You can cry "conspiracy theorists!" and dismiss what you wish. You can dive into a social-media, Google-made, personally tailored pool of bias confirmation.....and assume that is my motivation instead of hearing me and my kind. You can find all the worst thinkers and actors among your ideological opposition and presume them exemplary -- you don't even have to look for them, the press will have them on the nightly news at 6 pee em daily for all to see. You might even be right.
I might be wrong, but I am not alone.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 8, 2018 6:42:42 GMT -5
You've convinced me. You're right. Of course I am. It's my opinion. Which, by definition, is only possible for me to know. But then again, maybe that's the press' problem. A phenomenal arrogance that passes all understanding. Which those of us in the real world would see as pretty much psychopathic.
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Post by millring on Nov 8, 2018 7:38:54 GMT -5
... buys into.... devotion to Trump. This is really hard to grasp, but those words are the problem (as I see it). Few are expressing "devotion" any more than those perceiving such "devotion" were "devoted" to Obama or any other leader. Few "buy into" any more than those perceiving the "buying" "buy" into the leaders who -- incompletely, insufficiently, but pragmatically and as the only viable option -- represent their views in Washington. A fellow forumite who despises me and my pov, nevertheless nailed a truth the other day when he opined that the right deserves a better mouthpiece than Trump to express our valid points of view. I agree, and can wish for better. And I will never vote for Trump. But this is where we are stuck. All Republicans who came before could not withstand the Washington power base. Trump is giving it a try. This is really hard to grasp -- especially because it is COMPLETELY unintentional and I understand that lack of intent -- we're all friends here. But what I'm trying to say when I say that characterizing Peter's and Jeff's and my views on Trump (though none of the three of us agree) as "devotion" is insulting. But that's why the press doesn't get it either. Peter, Jeff, and I are paper cutouts to the Washington press. They don't understand our pov and don't care to.
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Post by brucemacneill on Nov 8, 2018 8:05:20 GMT -5
I happened to see the incident as it occurred. Acosta was being an asshole, IMHO. I suppose he thinks it's his job to be an asshole and he was doing it very well but no one, not even Trump, should have to put up with this crap. CNN can send someone else to the briefings if they have any non-assholes on staff.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 8, 2018 8:11:41 GMT -5
I happened to see the incident as it occurred. Acosta was being an asshole, IMHO. I suppose he thinks it's his job to be an asshole and he was doing it very well but no one, not even Trump, should have to put up with this crap. CNN can send someone else to the briefings if they have any non-assholes on staff. I saw it too. And there were, what? 70 other reporters in the room? And banning Acosta is a threat to a free society? Hell, just let the next reporter ask the "important" questions.
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Post by fauxmaha on Nov 8, 2018 8:25:10 GMT -5
The media's love of itself is only rivaled by Jim Acosta's love of himself.
What I saw was Trump making some interesting (and almost conciliatory) points: There is a lot of room for agreement between him and the new House majority on things like infrastructure, etc. And if a bill gets through the House, there is a good chance is will have enough Democratic support to make it through the Senate, maybe even with more Democratic (Senate) votes than Republican. His central point in his opening remarks was that this new state of affairs opened up legislative possibilities that didn't exist before.
That seemed like at least an interesting thing for him to say.
So naturally, the story coming out of the Gated Institutional Narrative the next day has nothing to do with that and everything to do with Jim Acosta.
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Post by epaul on Nov 8, 2018 9:34:04 GMT -5
You couldn't pay me to defend either one of them.
Well, yes, you could. I'm open to offers. But, I'm telling you right now, a twenty wouldn't do it.
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Post by dradtke on Nov 8, 2018 9:36:18 GMT -5
Oh no, these waters are clearly charted. Anyone who reads history knows that.
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Post by Marshall on Nov 8, 2018 9:36:38 GMT -5
The next two years are going to be hell on the political front.
What's the line on how soon the Mueller investigation will be axed.
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Post by brucemacneill on Nov 8, 2018 10:11:31 GMT -5
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Post by patrick on Nov 8, 2018 10:29:49 GMT -5
Why am I not surprised that when Trump wants to attack a reporter, he sends a woman to do it for him?
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Post by brucemacneill on Nov 8, 2018 10:43:01 GMT -5
Why am I not surprised that when Trump wants to attack a reporter, he sends a woman to do it for him? It was her job to take the mic to the next reporter who was recognized to ask a question.
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