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Post by aquaduct on Mar 22, 2019 18:28:06 GMT -5
Meuller report delivered. Doesn't look like there are more indictments. Curiously looking like there's no there there.
Democrats seem to be caught with their dick's in their hands.
Couldn't happen to nicer people.
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Post by Chesapeake on Mar 22, 2019 18:48:41 GMT -5
So ... if he gets the goods on Trump, some people are all over him for that. If he doesn't get the goods on Trump, some people are all over him for that.
Why do I get the feeling he can't win with some people?
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Post by brucemacneill on Mar 22, 2019 18:50:31 GMT -5
So ... if he gets the goods on Trump, some people are all over him for that. If he doesn't get the goods on Trump, some people are all over him for that. Why do I get the feeling he can't win with some people? I doubt he ever believed he was going to win anything. I suspect he's smart enough to know how the swamp works.
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 22, 2019 18:57:17 GMT -5
So ... if he gets the goods on Trump, some people are all over him for that. If he doesn't get the goods on Trump, some people are all over him for that. Why do I get the feeling he can't win with some people? Different some peoples. There you go. Not interfered with. Did his job. Got no complaints. However, if you're a Democrat all bets are off.
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Post by RickW on Mar 22, 2019 19:19:47 GMT -5
I wouldn’t be too confident yet, Peter. He might have just left the big turd for the justice department to handle as they saw fit. He didn’t actually have to hand down any indictments at all.
The sad thing is that some of the most important people surrounding him have been indicted for various crimes surrounding himself. And for some reason which is completely incomprehensible to me, perfectly good people seem to think that the man is just fine. Whereas, if he wasn’t the president, and this had all come out, they’d all shrug their shoulders and say, “what a douche bag.”
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 22, 2019 19:45:08 GMT -5
I wouldn’t be too confident yet, Peter. He might have just left the big turd for the justice department to handle as they saw fit. He didn’t actually have to hand down any indictments at all. The sad thing is that some of the most important people surrounding him have been indicted for various crimes surrounding himself. And for some reason which is completely incomprehensible to me, perfectly good people seem to think that the man is just fine. Whereas, if he wasn’t the president, and this had all come out, they’d all shrug their shoulders and say, “what a douche bag.” Mueller works for the Justice Department. The AG is his boss. I'm sure he walked in and told his boss, "Here Bill, you handle this shit." Right. Let's go with that.
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Post by Cornflake on Mar 22, 2019 20:07:12 GMT -5
I have no idea what the report will say but my prediction is that it will not find collusion, nor will it find that there was not collusion. That's been my expectation from the outset. And I'm a lifelong Democrat but my hands are on the keyboard, not my private parts.
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Post by RickW on Mar 22, 2019 20:25:15 GMT -5
I wouldn’t be too confident yet, Peter. He might have just left the big turd for the justice department to handle as they saw fit. He didn’t actually have to hand down any indictments at all. The sad thing is that some of the most important people surrounding him have been indicted for various crimes surrounding himself. And for some reason which is completely incomprehensible to me, perfectly good people seem to think that the man is just fine. Whereas, if he wasn’t the president, and this had all come out, they’d all shrug their shoulders and say, “what a douche bag.” Mueller works for the Justice Department. The AG is his boss. I'm sure he walked in and told his boss, "Here Bill, you handle this shit." Right. Let's go with that. Considering all the considerations around whether the POTUS can pardon himself, or whether he can actually be charged at all, yes, I wouldn't doubt that that could have occurred. Not to mention the massive political ramifications, both home and abroad. The people that were charged, it was pretty clear cut. The Justice department needs to deal with the big one, if there is anything there.
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Post by Chesapeake on Mar 22, 2019 21:09:15 GMT -5
My highest expectation of the Mueller report is it will string together as comprehensive a narrative as we've seen of how the Russians tried to influence the 2016 election.
My highest hope is Congress will respond by taking steps to prevent that from happening again - though they'll probably have to go over the President's head to do it, i.e., pass veto-proof legislation.
My strongest hunch is that the explanation for Trump's weirdly obsequious behavior whenever there is a Russian in the room will be seen as motivated by old-fashioned greed: hopes of doing mega-real estate deals in Russia after he leaves the White House. (Or, in light of his brass-plated balls, before.)
Whether the Kremlin has sex tapes of Trump cavorting with hotel staff in Moscow is still an open question.
All that said, I agree with James Comey in his recent NYT op-ed piece that Trump should not be impeached, because even if it succeeded (which it would not as of now), there would be a febrile minority of Kool-Aid chuggers who will believe it was a coup, driven by ideology. Better to defeat him the old-fashioned way, at the polls. And if the Democrats are stupid enough to put up some left-wing ideological bomb-thrower to run against him, maybe they deserve another four years in the wilderness
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Post by Cornflake on Mar 22, 2019 21:11:30 GMT -5
Chesapeake, the like button didn't work for me, so I'll just say that I agree with your comments. I think Trump's curious obsequiousness towards the Russians, though, will remain unexplained.
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Post by millring on Mar 23, 2019 6:46:22 GMT -5
If it comes out that there are no charges filed against Trump, I would like to see Mueller charged with continuing the investigation to see if charges should be brought against those who made the original assertion of collusion a thing that cost us three years of fruitless investigation. Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein, Strzok, all those complicit in forwarding the "Golden Showers" dossier. If nothing was found, then those who created the illusion that something was there should be charged.
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Post by brucemacneill on Mar 23, 2019 6:57:25 GMT -5
If it comes out that there are no charges filed against Trump, I would like to see Mueller charged with continuing the investigation to see if charges should be brought against those who made the original assertion of collusion a thing that cost us three years of fruitless investigation. Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein, Strzok, all those complicit in forwarding the "Golden Showers" dossier. If nothing was found, then those who created the illusion that something was there should be charged. Don't hold your breath.
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 23, 2019 7:20:37 GMT -5
Whether the Kremlin has sex tapes of Trump cavorting with hotel staff in Moscow is still an open question. Irony- Professional Grade.
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Post by brucemacneill on Mar 23, 2019 7:30:26 GMT -5
There are still sealed indictments. I suspect they're against dishonest Democrats (I know that's redundant) who fabricated the whole basis for the investigation as a dirty trick. There was never anything for Putin to gain from a Trump election but he had lots to gain from a Clinton election.
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 23, 2019 7:53:29 GMT -5
There are still sealed indictments. I suspect they're against dishonest Democrats (I know that's redundant) who fabricated the whole basis for the investigation as a dirty trick. There was never anything for Putin to gain from a Trump election but he had lots to gain from a Clinton election. By the way, Facebook is telling me that it's spring so I should change out the air in my tires to make sure the Nitrogen in your tires is up to 79%.
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Post by brucemacneill on Mar 23, 2019 8:22:00 GMT -5
There are still sealed indictments. I suspect they're against dishonest Democrats (I know that's redundant) who fabricated the whole basis for the investigation as a dirty trick. There was never anything for Putin to gain from a Trump election but he had lots to gain from a Clinton election. By the way, Facebook is telling me that it's spring so I should change out the air in my tires to make sure the Nitrogen in your tires is up to 79%. Thanks for the reminder but I think the dealer did that while they were changing the air bag.
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Post by timfarney on Mar 23, 2019 9:00:42 GMT -5
Meuller report delivered. Doesn't look like there are more indictments. Curiously looking like there's no there there. Democrats seem to be caught with their dick's in their hands. Couldn't happen to nicer people. If you think you hear the sound of the fat lady singing, check your meds. 1) This doesn’t mean your boy is innocent. It means that the justice department policy is not to indict sitting presidents. 2) This doesn’t mean your boy is innocent. The path to justice for American presidents is impeachment, not the courts. 3) This doesn’t mean your boy is innocent. There is still plenty to investigate, that is being investigated, that is outside of the scope of Meuller’s investigation. Fraud. Tax evasion, Money laundering. 4) This doesn’t mean your boy is innocent. Have you read the report? No. Neither has anyone else. “No more indictments” is good news for Kushner and Junior. For Trump himself, it only means that he’s safe as long as he’s in the White House. God willing, that won’t be long. PS: Anyone who expected indictments against Trump was simply uninformed. Any one who thinks an investigation that delivered this many indictments, convictions and confessions from the inner circle of a POTUS shows there is “no there there,” is delusional.
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Post by brucemacneill on Mar 23, 2019 9:16:50 GMT -5
Anyone who believes Tim is delusional as well.
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Post by jdd2 on Mar 23, 2019 9:29:52 GMT -5
There are still sealed indictments. I suspect they're against dishonest Democrats (I know that's redundant) who fabricated the whole basis for the investigation as a dirty trick. There was never anything for Putin to gain from a Trump election but he had lots to gain from a Clinton election. By the way, Facebook is telling me that it's spring so I should change out the air in my tires to make sure the Nitrogen in your tires is up to 79%. I think the last3-5 times you've posted that quip, you used the more accurate 78% figure.
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Post by AlanC on Mar 23, 2019 9:33:22 GMT -5
Meuller report delivered. Doesn't look like there are more indictments. Curiously looking like there's no there there. Democrats seem to be caught with their dick's in their hands. Couldn't happen to nicer people. If you think you hear the sound of the fat lady singing, check your meds. 1) This doesn’t mean your boy is innocent. It means that the justice department policy is not to indict sitting presidents. 2) This doesn’t mean your boy is innocent. The path to justice for American presidents is impeachment, not the courts. 3) This doesn’t mean your boy is innocent. There is still plenty to investigate, that is being investigated, that is outside of the scope of Meuller’s investigation. Fraud. Tax evasion, Money laundering. 4) This doesn’t mean your boy is innocent. Have you read the report? No. Neither has anyone else. “No more indictments” is good news for Kushner and Junior. For Trump himself, it only means that he’s safe as long as he’s in the White House. God willing, that won’t be long. PS: Anyone who expected indictments against Trump was simply uninformed. Any one who thinks an investigation that delivered this many indictments, convictions and confessions from the inner circle of a POTUS shows there is “no there there,” is delusional. Tim I agree with much of the above. But could you allow that there are those of us who heard almost three years of "Collusion", "Treason", "Colluded", "Stole the Election", (repeat collusion here about a thousand fuckin times), that want to know "Wheres the GD, F'n collusion MF'r?" Moneylaundering, tax evasion, shenanigans with money? (here comes the whataboutism) How much of that shit do you think Mueller could have dug up with a similarly staffed, funded, and authorized anal probe of the Clintons, the Clinton Foundation, the pay-for-play emails that she wasn't able to bleach out of every email? OMFG! If ever something cried out for investigation! Jaysus! So... I don't give a shit about any tax evasion he might have found. I don't give a shit about any shady financial deals. The Clintons can go on a worldwide moneygrab with their bullshit Foundation and no one blinks an eye? Then I don't want to hear it. Not interested. Where is the GD Collusion that I have F'n heard about for years? Show it or STFU! I'm a little exercised but not at you- nothing personal. I am available for drinks and stories anytime.
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