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Post by casualplayerpaul on Sept 5, 2019 12:37:15 GMT -5
Sharpie-Gate is cracking me up. Trump's responses are hysterical.
I guess as a country we have decided he can break the Emoluments Clause on a daily basis, so this is small potatoes. Which is kind of the point. Even his small crimes get a full court press of paranoia and anger.
He can't simply say, "The damn Sharpie marking Alabama was the work of some damn intern."
He has to double-down, then triple down. Pull out all of the stops, then run around looking for more stops to pull out. Dear Leader can simply Not Be Wrong.
18 U.S. Code § 2074:
“Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both.”
Donald J. Trump
✔ @realdonaldtrump
In the early days of the hurricane, when it was predicted that Dorian would go through Miami or West Palm Beach, even before it reached the Bahamas, certain models strongly suggested that Alabama & Georgia would be hit as it made its way through Florida & to the Gulf....
Donald J. Trump
✔ @realdonaldtrump
....Instead it turned North and went up the coast, where it continues now. In the one model through Florida, the Great State of Alabama would have been hit or grazed. In the path it took, no. Read my FULL FEMA statement. What I said was accurate! All Fake News in order to demean!
Donald J. Trump
@realdonaldtrump
Alabama was going to be hit or grazed, and then Hurricane Dorian took a different path (up along the East Coast). The Fake News knows this very well. That’s why they’re the Fake News!
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Post by brucemacneill on Sept 5, 2019 12:50:32 GMT -5
What he said was totally true. The hurricane was expected to go through Florida and into the gulf.
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Post by Russell Letson on Sept 5, 2019 12:55:47 GMT -5
Look at the behavior of any manipulative eight-year-old when confronted with evidence of rule-breaking--"You said, 'Don't point that hose at your sister,' and I didn't. I was pointing it at the dog, and Sis got in the way. It's like totally her fault she's all wet. Besides, she did it first. No, wait, a big kid did it and ran away. That's it--a big kid did it. I think his name's Billy."
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Post by billhammond on Sept 5, 2019 13:03:45 GMT -5
What he said was totally true. The hurricane was expected to go through Florida and into the gulf. When Trump first tweeted Sunday that Alabama and a handful of states along the southeastern coast of the U.S. "will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated," the National Hurricane Center already forecast that Dorian's trajectory had veered far from Alabama. And in a tweet roughly 20 minutes after Trump's weekend post, Birmingham’s branch of the National Weather Service clarified that “Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian,” because its "system will remain too far east." But Trump's persistent focus on his own claim Thursday, which came as Dorian bore down on the coast of South Carolina, provoked fresh criticism. Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind., remarked that "I feel sorry for the president," calling the controversy over the modified map "humiliating" and "an embarrassing moment" for the United States. "What we're seeing there is literally pathetic," the Democratic presidential candidate told CNN. "It makes you feel a kind of pity for everybody involved, and that's not how I want to feel about the president — whether it's for my party or the other." Former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld, who is challenging Trump for the 2020 Republican presidential nomination, had pledged in a tweet Wednesday that "if elected I will NEVER redraw a National Weather Service map to cover up my own dumb mistake." Fox News' Janice Dean, the senior meteorologist at Trump's favored cable network, pointed out in a tweet Wednesday that "Alabama was NEVER in the official cone" forecast by the National Hurricane Center, and described the embellished map presented from the White House as "inaccurate, misleading and fake." The blowback appeared to embolden Trump on Thursday. He also retweeted a map plotting Dorian’s likely paths that he first posted online Wednesday evening, which was dated Aug. 28 and appeared to originate from the South Florida Water Management District. “This was the originally projected path of the Hurricane in its early stages,” Trump wrote in an accompanying message. “As you can see, almost all models predicted it to go through Florida also hitting Georgia and Alabama. I accept the Fake News apologies!” That map included a disclaimer stating that "NHC Advisories and County Emergency Management Statements supersede this product," and the graphic "should complement, not replace, NHC discussions." |
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Post by casualplayerpaul on Sept 5, 2019 13:36:10 GMT -5
What he said was totally true. The hurricane was expected to go through Florida and into the gulf. Fox News' Janice Dean, the senior meteorologist at Trump's favored cable network, pointed out in a tweet Wednesday that "Alabama was NEVER in the official cone" forecast by the National Hurricane Center, and described the embellished map presented from the White House as "inaccurate, misleading and fake." one's gotta leave a mark. |
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Post by brucemacneill on Sept 5, 2019 13:57:20 GMT -5
Trump was probably watching The Weather Channel. I was. Should he have been updated? Yup but some of his helpers don't help much. sadly I do not have historical recordings of last week's weather channel maps.
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Post by billhammond on Sept 5, 2019 14:21:00 GMT -5
Trump was probably watching The Weather Channel. I was. Should he have been updated? Yup but some of his helpers don't help much. sadly I do not have historical recordings of last week's weather channel maps. I just can't shake the hunch that somehow, Trump thinks all this will help Roy Moore. |
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Post by casualplayerpaul on Sept 5, 2019 14:32:31 GMT -5
Trump was probably watching The Weather Channel. I was. Should he have been updated? Yup but some of his helpers don't help much. sadly I do not have historical recordings of last week's weather channel maps. What a President does during a weather emergency matters. There was a Sharpie mark that included Alabama being hit. It should not have been there. All Trump had to say was, to quote his Energy Secretary, "Oops." Or, like another Rick, regarding the water in Casablanca, "I was misinformed." |
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Post by dradtke on Sept 5, 2019 18:21:17 GMT -5
The weather service corrected him promptly because, with people in the affected area debating whether or not to evacuate, accurate information is critical. How many people in Alabama would have disrupted their lives, packed up the kids and the dogs and gone to stay somewhere else because His Most Accurate and Smartertest Leader - and his bootlickers - can't simply say he misspoke? Instead, he doubled down and tripled down and quadrupled down.
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Post by Cornflake on Sept 5, 2019 18:30:49 GMT -5
The weather service corrected him promptly because, with people in the affected area debating whether or not to evacuate, accurate information is critical. How many people in Alabama would have disrupted their lives, packed up the kids and the dogs and gone to stay somewhere else because His Most Accurate and Smartertest Leader - and his bootlickers - can't simply say he misspoke? Instead, he doubled down and tripled down and quadrupled down. Okay, I'd been thinking this story was good fodder for humor but basically trivial, like Gerald Ford eating a tamale without unwrapping it. You made me realize that my conclusion was off a bit. On the list of our President's flaws I'm not sure this even breaks into the top 100 but it wasn't entirely trivial |
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Post by brucemacneill on Sept 5, 2019 18:42:28 GMT -5
The weather service corrected him promptly because, with people in the affected area debating whether or not to evacuate, accurate information is critical. How many people in Alabama would have disrupted their lives, packed up the kids and the dogs and gone to stay somewhere else because His Most Accurate and Smartertest Leader - and his bootlickers - can't simply say he misspoke? Instead, he doubled down and tripled down and quadrupled down. Okay, I'd been thinking this story was good fodder for humor but basically trivial, like Gerald Ford eating a tamale without unwrapping it. You made me realize that my conclusion was off a bit. On the list of our President's flaws I'm not sure this even breaks into the top 100 but it wasn't entirely trivial Would you really accept Washington's word from a news conference by the President as a weather report? I wouldn't. I have to watch TWC and Wunderground and a local channel to decide who to believe. Even then I don't trust a forecast more than a couple of hours in advance. |
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Post by jdd2 on Sept 5, 2019 19:08:55 GMT -5
It’s like Groundhog Day.
I wake up every morning and trump is still there.
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Post by brucemacneill on Sept 5, 2019 19:10:19 GMT -5
It’s like Groundhog Day. I wake up every morning and trump is still there. Might as well get used to it. |
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Post by Cornflake on Sept 5, 2019 19:14:39 GMT -5
"Would you really accept Washington's word from a news conference by the President as a weather report? I wouldn't."
Bruce, I think you know my answer to your question. I'm not sure, though, that all Americans who were potentially in the path of the storm would have disregarded the President's comments as much as I would have. I'll reiterate that I don't see this as an atrocity story. I just revised my view that it was trivial.
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Post by aquaduct on Sept 5, 2019 19:35:41 GMT -5
"Would you really accept Washington's word from a news conference by the President as a weather report? I wouldn't." Bruce, I think you know my answer to your question. I'm not sure, though, that all Americans who were potentially in the path of the storm would have disregarded the President's comments as much as I would have. I'll reiterate that I don't see this as an atrocity story. I just revised my view that it was trivial. And I'd have to disagree with you there my friend. How many people actually watched that presentation when it was live? Probably next to none. People simply don't watch White House pressers outside of the Swamp. Just another blatant display of leftist arrogance. Trump's stupid to them, but obviously there must be others who are even stupider out in Deplorable land. And the folks doing the accusing use BIG words like "Emoluments Clause" like they know what that actually is and didn't just crib it from some leftist message board. Go ahead, keep it up. Y'all are just burying yourself in 2020. |
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Post by Cornflake on Sept 5, 2019 20:15:17 GMT -5
"Just another blatant display of leftist arrogance."
Peter, I don't know your definition of "leftist" but I suspect it encompasses people like me, even though I don't think of myself as one. If so, we're not all clones. We don't all live on the coasts or eat brie or sneer at people who work for a living. We just don't see things the way you do.
Peace be with you.
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Post by jdd2 on Sept 5, 2019 20:18:53 GMT -5
... And the folks doing the accusing use BIG words like "Emoluments Clause" like they know what that actually is and didn't just crib it from some leftist message board. I learned that in my middle school civics/government class. The teacher was a stickler for that and many other details. |
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Post by casualplayerpaul on Sept 5, 2019 20:35:19 GMT -5
The emoluments clause is not very complicated, nor is it that difficult to understand how Trump ought to be impeached for his multiple violations of it.
The fact that the GOP denies it and that the Democrats lack the political will to DO something about it does not change the fact Trump treats the Constitution the way we all treat the bottom of a urinal when need arises to do so.
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Post by aquaduct on Sept 5, 2019 20:51:18 GMT -5
"Just another blatant display of leftist arrogance." Peter, I don't know your definition of "leftist" but I suspect it encompasses people like me, even though I don't think of myself as one. If so, we're not all clones. We don't all live on the coasts or eat brie or sneer at people who work for a living. We just don't see things the way you do. Peace be with you. I'm certainly not talking about you or even most folks here. Politics has only recently become a blood sport and even though most here are Democrats, they can be civil and simply agree to disagree. But Trump's another matter. Even though his actual actions have been relatively centrist and unobjectionable, he sets those that hate him (and by extension me, my wife, and the entire community I live in) afire. And rudely. Doesn't really bother me much other than the fact that it's going to take something horrendous and bloody to snap us out of it. And it's a different game for me. I see it from a mechanistic standpoint. I think the system is broken and needs fixing. Trump's simply the first guy to articulate it and come in with a plan to do it. And just in the nick of time. And I've detailed that before a few times so no need to repeat it. But others do nothing but fill threads with cheap shots and insulting crap that would never have been tolerated if said about his predecessor. In the end it's alright. They don't get that the shittier you are to Trump and his supporters, the more we'll fight back- determined to give him four more years. Go Trump! |
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Post by casualplayerpaul on Sept 5, 2019 21:31:36 GMT -5
Cheap shots and insulting crap that would never have been tolerated about his predecessor!
Pass me the smelling salts!
But, first, make his predecessor produce his birth certificate.
How in the world does such a civil fellow as Trump generate such a lack of civility.
‘Tis truly a mystery for the ages.
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