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Post by theevan on Feb 12, 2020 7:23:00 GMT -5
So, Bernie, the commie, got 70,000 votes and Pete got 68,000 in "Liberal" New Hampshire. Trump got 120,000. I know demographics have changed since I lived there (proliferation of Taxachusettes ex-pats along the border areas), but NH was very conservative when I lived there in the mid-70s. Must still be, by and large.
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Post by millring on Feb 12, 2020 7:41:21 GMT -5
So, Bernie, the commie, got 70,000 votes and Pete got 68,000 in "Liberal" New Hampshire. Trump got 120,000. So, Democrats got 138,000 voters out, while Republicans got only 120,000? That doesn't bode well for Republicans, does it?
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Post by brucemacneill on Feb 12, 2020 7:48:51 GMT -5
So, Bernie, the commie, got 70,000 votes and Pete got 68,000 in "Liberal" New Hampshire. Trump got 120,000. So, Democrats got 138,000 voters out, while Republicans got only 120,000? That doesn't bode well for Republicans, does it? I don't know but 120,000 Republican voters bothered to vote yesterday when Trump was the only actual candidate on the ballot.
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Post by millring on Feb 12, 2020 9:11:54 GMT -5
So, Democrats got 138,000 voters out, while Republicans got only 120,000? That doesn't bode well for Republicans, does it? I don't know but 120,000 Republican voters bothered to vote yesterday when Trump was the only actual candidate on the ballot. Just heard an interesting apples to apples comparison: Trump nearly doubled the vote total that Obama got in 2012.
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Post by millring on Feb 12, 2020 9:23:36 GMT -5
Look for the rise of sub-parties that have pre-primaries so that like minded, similar candidates stop undermining the true ideology of the parties. In 2016 the press laughed with glee as the Republicans ran so many moderates that they divided the primary votes and allowed the extreme of Trump to divide and conquer. This year Sanders is benefiting from the same divide and conquer. This time there is very little ideological difference between all the rest of the Democratic clown car, and Sanders -- the self-declared extremist/socialist is benefiting from the most energize extremists of the party.
If the Republican conservatives -- Rubio, Cruz, etc (and likewise, the moderates -- Bush, Kasich, etc) had had a pre-primary in 2015 so that all the conservatives and moderates hadn't split the vote and let Trump right up the middle, Trump never would have won.
Likewise, if the Democrats had gotten together last year and similarly had a run-off to limit candidates, then the Democrats wouldn't be looking at the current inevitable -- Sanders.
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Post by Marshall on Feb 12, 2020 9:27:19 GMT -5
Gee whiz. Trump ran unopposed (effectively). As an incumbent. There were how many Ds running? 5 that they report results on. Plus Trump was a no-contest, so his supporters didn't have to come to the polls. The Ds are a horse race. Much more interesting.
Apples to kumquats.
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Post by aquaduct on Feb 12, 2020 9:30:26 GMT -5
Gee whiz. Trump ran unopposed (effectively). As an incumbent. There were how many Ds running? 5 that they report results on. Plus Trump was a no-contest, so his supporters didn't have to come to the polls. The Ds are a horse race. Much more interesting. Apples to kumquats. Right. Trump supporters didn't need to be there. But they're so dedicated they came anyways. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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Post by millring on Feb 12, 2020 9:30:48 GMT -5
Gee whiz. Trump ran unopposed (effectively). As an incumbent. There were how many Ds running? 5 that they report results on. Plus Trump was a no-contest, so his supporters didn't have to come to the polls. The Ds are a horse race. Much more interesting. Apples to kumquats. I don't understand what you're saying. The reason the Trump to Obama comparison is apples to apples is because the comparison is a president running for re-election. Obama ran unopposed too. And yet, Trump got nearly twice as many votes in a primary that mattered for neither of them in the final outcome.
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Post by majorminor on Feb 12, 2020 9:33:19 GMT -5
They are gonna have to screw Bernie out of it again or have him whacked.
As to the article I'm always fascinated by the "Europe Is Better" thing.
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Post by aquaduct on Feb 12, 2020 9:34:56 GMT -5
They are gonna have to screw Bernie out of it again or have him whacked. As to the article I'm always fascinated by the "Europe Is Better" thing. They firmly believe that if they repeat it enough, it'll come true.
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Post by millring on Feb 12, 2020 9:41:16 GMT -5
As to the article I'm always fascinated by the "Europe Is Better" thing. Me too. It's sort of tied into why folks who think that way, simply can't abide the MAGA slogan. To some extent, the divide can be described as a marriage wherein the husband says he loves his wife as long as she never changes, and the wife says she could love her husband if only he was the neighbor's husband.
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Post by Marshall on Feb 12, 2020 9:55:20 GMT -5
Gee whiz. Trump ran unopposed (effectively). As an incumbent. There were how many Ds running? 5 that they report results on. Plus Trump was a no-contest, so his supporters didn't have to come to the polls. The Ds are a horse race. Much more interesting. Apples to kumquats. I don't understand what you're saying. The reason the Trump to Obama comparison is apples to apples is because the comparison is a president running for re-election. Obama ran unopposed too. And yet, Trump got nearly twice as many votes in a primary that mattered for neither of them in the final outcome. OK. I know what your saying now. It usually takes a little. I thought you were talking about this election. Then I thought you were talking about Obama's first election. Now I see your point. And it still doesn't mean much. I'll grant you Trump supporters are probably more motivated now; especially after the impeachment gala. Does it mean much for November? Maybe you think so. Me? I'll just wait for November. There's a lot of fun and games between now and then. And, yes, rightly or wrongly the electorate will be awake for this one.
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Post by coachdoc on Feb 12, 2020 10:55:23 GMT -5
If they ran Bernie v. Trump today, I don't know who would win. Bernie is such an angry man. It wouldn't wash over the length of a head to head campaign with Trump. I really don't think Pete has a snowball's chance, I think the deep South would sink him on the sexual orientation issue. Amy can go head to head with Trump without getting ruffled and make her centrist points clearly and forcefully. She would highlight how stupid our polarization has been and doesn't have to be. She's The One.
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Post by epaul on Feb 12, 2020 11:12:26 GMT -5
I'm with you, Doc. (if she wins, I'll send you a Minnesota Twins cap.)
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Post by majorminor on Feb 12, 2020 11:23:23 GMT -5
Anybody feeling at all sorry for Biden? That poor little Bryl Creamed bastard....
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Post by Marshall on Feb 12, 2020 11:25:15 GMT -5
If they ran Bernie v. Trump today, I don't know who would win. Bernie is such an angry man. It wouldn't wash over the length of a head to head campaign with Trump. I really don't think Pete has a snowball's chance, I think the deep South would sink him on the sexual orientation issue. Amy can go head to head with Trump without getting ruffled and make her centrist points clearly and forcefully. She would highlight how stupid our polarization has been and doesn't have to be. She's The One. Well said. But Amy has been lack luster before. She sure ramped it up last debate. Good for her. Good for us. Can she sustain it? We'll see. And soon Bloomberg will be dropping his big buck presentation into the mix. I think he occupies some of the same political real estate as Amy; middle of the road. But can he really be middle of the road as a NY billionaire? But he's got the financial resources to give it a BIG try. Can Amy match that effort? Don't know. PS - She needs to keep her emphasis on the everyman. Get more personal in her ads. Follow up on the "I know you," thing. It's going to be hard for billionaire Bloomberg to match that.
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Post by Marshall on Feb 12, 2020 11:31:00 GMT -5
PSPS - I dread Bernie v Trump. I really dread it. As a young man I might have supported Bernie. I voted for McGovern. But Bernie is just too out there for me now.
I just hope Warren stays around long enough to fracture the far left vote.
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Post by billhammond on Feb 12, 2020 11:33:24 GMT -5
PSPS - I dread Bernie v Trump. I really dread it. Never mind their words, their VOICES! Can't stand to listen to either of them.
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Post by Marshall on Feb 12, 2020 11:35:55 GMT -5
Yeah. I'll watch WWE wrestling instead.
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Post by Russell Letson on Feb 12, 2020 11:38:12 GMT -5
As to the article I'm always fascinated by the "Europe Is Better" thing. Just to clarify: The point of the article is not "Europe is better" but "Bernie's no Commie," as the word and the political-economic theory are understood everywhere else in the world--including Europe, where the ideas were invented and varied and tried out. This is not news. I have friends and acquaintances considerably to my left (some actual Marxists who have actually read Marx) who insist that Bernie and other American "democratic socialists" would be seen as barely left-of-center in Europe. The "Commie" label is, of course, a leftover from the Cold War, when it was used just as sloppily.
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