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Post by Russell Letson on Feb 10, 2020 12:34:58 GMT -5
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Dub
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Post by Dub on Feb 10, 2020 12:56:08 GMT -5
Good piece.
It always gets me that because there is no actual political left in this country, people get the idea that centrists—the most left leaning politicians we have—are somehow leftists.
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Post by Cornflake on Feb 10, 2020 13:28:00 GMT -5
I agree with the piece so it must be accurate.
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Post by aquaduct on Feb 10, 2020 13:33:40 GMT -5
OK, he's not a communist.
So what?
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Post by brucemacneill on Feb 10, 2020 13:40:27 GMT -5
OK, he's not a communist. So what? Well he was a Communist back in the 50s and 60s and as far as I know he still is.
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Post by coachdoc on Feb 10, 2020 15:56:57 GMT -5
One of the few things I agree with Bruce. Sanders is a commie. But I think that's great.
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Post by fauxmaha on Feb 10, 2020 16:10:28 GMT -5
Particularly this: "When people talk Bernie Sanders as if he's a communist, they show a profound ignorance" of the market and of history, Strine said. He added that while he doesn't agree with all of Sanders' proposals, they're not actually radical from a historical or global perspective. Per Strine, Sanders is actually a centrist by the standards of some of our closest and most prosperous European allies. If we use "a historical or global perspective", there's really nothing that could be considered "radical". For example, I've been reading some studies lately dealing with some of the newer, historical DNA analysis. There is growing evidence that (here's a phrase only an academic could come up with) "sex-asymmetric population admixture" was common in human populations. In case it isn't obvious, "sex-asymmetric population admixture" means "kill all the men and steal the women". A practice which, from a "historical or global perspective", could not be considered "radical", assuming this latest round of research holds up.
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Post by Russell Letson on Feb 10, 2020 16:14:11 GMT -5
One of these things is not like the other. Guess which shell conceals the pea.
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Post by fauxmaha on Feb 10, 2020 16:15:49 GMT -5
So is it not really global? Or not really historic?
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Post by Russell Letson on Feb 10, 2020 16:31:59 GMT -5
Not really genetics or demography. And I never started beating my wife.
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Post by aquaduct on Feb 10, 2020 16:45:56 GMT -5
Not really genetics or demography. And I never started beating my wife. So even more vaguely defined as to be functionally useless in anything other than chatting around the faculty water cooler.
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Post by fauxmaha on Feb 10, 2020 16:51:47 GMT -5
Not really genetics or demography. And I never started beating my wife. How do you know that? I'm not being flippant. What makes you say that questions of political categorization are not genetic or demographic in nature?
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Post by Russell Letson on Feb 10, 2020 17:30:51 GMT -5
I'm not being flippant. What makes you say that questions of political categorization are not genetic or demographic in nature? Invitation to chase irrelevant rabbits down bottomless holes declined. The context of the Business Insider piece is pretty clear, and running up one side of the abstraction ladder and down another (to switch metaphors slightly) doesn't add anything useful to the conversation. Hey, look! A squirrel!
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Post by fauxmaha on Feb 10, 2020 17:44:55 GMT -5
I read the assertion that Sanders is deemed centrist by "global and historic standards", but any reference to global or historic standards that suggest otherwise constitute a "rabbit hole".
Which I find rather ironic given the "no true Scotsman" nature of all of this.
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Post by Russell Letson on Feb 10, 2020 17:47:20 GMT -5
Still not biting. Category errors. RTFM.
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Post by fauxmaha on Feb 10, 2020 17:49:52 GMT -5
Of course it's all category error. We started with "Bernie is no true Socialist", right? How could this be anything other than category error all the way down?
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Post by millring on Feb 11, 2020 8:24:49 GMT -5
"Yes, our economic philosophy is the same as Karl Marx's, but don't be scared. This time around we don't plan on killing anyone. Or, at least, not as many."
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Post by james on Feb 11, 2020 19:47:12 GMT -5
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Post by coachdoc on Feb 11, 2020 20:22:17 GMT -5
"Yes, our economic philosophy is the same as Karl Marx's, but don't be scared. This time around we don't plan on killing anyone. Or, at least, not as many." Is this from Onion?
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Post by brucemacneill on Feb 12, 2020 6:57:09 GMT -5
So, Bernie, the commie, got 70,000 votes and Pete got 68,000 in "Liberal" New Hampshire. Trump got 120,000.
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