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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 22:08:48 GMT -5
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Post by Chesapeake on Jul 8, 2020 22:19:40 GMT -5
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Post by david on Jul 8, 2020 22:38:49 GMT -5
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Post by brucemacneill on Jul 9, 2020 6:09:42 GMT -5
"When asked if the cases in Tulsa are going up due to the rally on June 20, Dart said that there were several large events a little over two weeks ago.
"I guess we just connect the dots," Dart said."
It must have been the Trump rally depending on how you connect the dots when you have no actual evidence.
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Post by theevan on Jul 9, 2020 8:42:19 GMT -5
There has been a huge spike in 'Rona positives everywhere.*
*Everywhere testing has been dramatically increased.
Meanwhile, the death rates have fallen precipitously. No spike.
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Post by theevan on Jul 9, 2020 8:43:21 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Jul 9, 2020 8:46:13 GMT -5
There has been a huge spike in 'Rona positives everywhere.* *Everywhere testing has been dramatically increased. Meanwhile, the death rates have fallen precipitously. No spike. No shit? Funny how that works. |
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Post by theevan on Jul 9, 2020 8:47:01 GMT -5
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Post by Jawbone on Jul 9, 2020 11:48:14 GMT -5
It's spiking everywhere. Here in Plains, Montana it has gone from one to three cases a day to now just under 100. All mostly tourist. And I haven't seen Trump anywhere near here, Just "Trump 2020" signs on every front lawn.
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Post by Chesapeake on Jul 9, 2020 11:58:17 GMT -5
I don' know that anyone thinks large gatherings where few masks are worn result in spikes only if they are Trump rallies.
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Post by aquaduct on Jul 9, 2020 12:04:33 GMT -5
I don' know that anyone thinks large gatherings where few masks are worn result in spikes only if they are Trump rallies. But it's only Trump rallies that count. Not things like riots. |
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Post by Russell Letson on Jul 9, 2020 12:22:34 GMT -5
The data is still being crunched, but so far the testing results have not shown increases in, say, Minneapolis. On the other hand, LA has seen an increase, including among LAPD officers. www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-23/lapd-coronavirus-cases-spike-adding-to-debate-over-role-of-protests-in-spreadThe rally/riot evidence is sharpening the model of conditions and environments that affect contagion, reinforcing the model that sees indoor/outdoor, density-of-population, and time-of-exposure as crucial elements. the Minneapolis Department of Health reported that more than 15,000 people were tested at centers set up in communities affected by the protests, and 1.7% of tests came back positive—below the statewide average of about 3.6%. According to the Washington Post, protest attendees in Minneapolis returned positivity rates of less than 1% and that “officials believe the low infection rates reflect that the protests were outside, that most people wore masks and that people spent most of their time in motion, circulating through the crowd.” NPR reported last week that parties—not protests—are believed to have caused coronavirus spikes in Washington. “We’re finding that the social events and gatherings, these parties where people aren’t wearing masks, are our primary source of infection,” said Erika Lautenbach, a local county Health Department director. It's not mere partisanship to suggest that the Trump team's decisions to hold big indoor rallies and to countermand mitigation measures (as they did in Tulsa) are not just imprudent but perverse and irresponsible. And you couldn't pay me to participate in an outdoor protest or demonstration, even if I could be certain that it wouldn't descend into destructive stupidity. |
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Post by aquaduct on Jul 9, 2020 12:31:14 GMT -5
It's not mere partisanship to suggest that the Trump team's decisions to hold big indoor rallies and to countermand mitigation measures (as they did in Tulsa) are not just imprudent but perverse and irresponsible. No, it really is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 13:34:27 GMT -5
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Post by brucemacneill on Jul 9, 2020 13:51:43 GMT -5
Well, if he knows of any local cases of people getting Covid-19 and attending the rally but nowhere else they could have gotten it, he didn't mention it. "Most likely" translate as "I guess". |
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Post by Russell Letson on Jul 9, 2020 13:51:57 GMT -5
It's not mere partisanship to suggest that the Trump team's decisions to hold big indoor rallies and to countermand mitigation measures (as they did in Tulsa) are not just imprudent but perverse and irresponsible. No, it really is. M: An argument isn't just contradiction. O: Well! it CAN be! M: No it can't! M: An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition. O: No it isn't! M: Yes it is! 'tisn't just contradiction. O: Look, if I *argue* with you, I must take up a contrary position! M: Yes but it isn't just saying 'no it isn't'. O: Yes it is! M: No it isn't! O: Yes it is! M: No it isn't! O: Yes it is! M: No it ISN'T! Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says. O: It is NOT! M: It is! O: Not at all! M: It is! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 15:08:26 GMT -5
Well, if he knows of any local cases of people getting Covid-19 and attending the rally but nowhere else they could have gotten it, he didn't mention it. "Most likely" translate as "I guess". Hey, Bruce. Helpful hint: If you're going to comment on an article, maybe read it first? If you'd done that, you might have stumbled upon the THIRD paragraph: Although the Health Department's policy is to not publicly identify individual settings where people may have contracted the virus, Dart said those large gatherings “more than likely" contributed to the spike.Or did you read that paragraph and it didn't fit your narrative so in your mind, the paragraph doesn't really exist? In pretty clear English, it says it is Health Department policy to not name the settings where people got the virus. I guess he could violate his own department's policy to make you happy, but my guess is he decided against it. |
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Post by brucemacneill on Jul 9, 2020 15:45:16 GMT -5
Well, if he knows of any local cases of people getting Covid-19 and attending the rally but nowhere else they could have gotten it, he didn't mention it. "Most likely" translate as "I guess". Hey, Bruce. Helpful hint: If you're going to comment on an article, maybe read it first? If you'd done that, you might have stumbled upon the THIRD paragraph: Although the Health Department's policy is to not publicly identify individual settings where people may have contracted the virus, Dart said those large gatherings “more than likely" contributed to the spike.Or did you read that paragraph and it didn't fit your narrative so in your mind, the paragraph doesn't really exist? In pretty clear English, it says it is Health Department policy to not name the settings where people got the virus. I guess he could violate his own department's policy to make you happy, but my guess is he decided against it. I read it. It also said there were other large gatherings going on at the same time, so what he knows is that large gatherings "more than likely" contributed to the spike and that's all he should have said. That or he could have said nothing about connecting the dots to Trump. The paper shouldn't have used the headline "Tulsa sees Covid-19 surge in the wake of Trump's June rally" either. Then again Trump was within 1000 mikes of Tulsa so it had to be his fault, in your mind anyway. All they know is that there were several large gatherings and they had a spike in infections. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 15:52:09 GMT -5
Bruce, buddy, life is too short to waste it reading your posts.
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Post by theevan on Jul 9, 2020 17:12:25 GMT -5
I take the disease/contagion very seriously, not so much for my sake, but for the sake of others. That said: I will never "shame" someone for masking or not masking. Death rates are dropping steadily. Let's not compound the hysteria and fear by presenting "omigod, Yuuuge spike in Corona!!!!" without even hinting that the numbers could, just could possibly, maybe even maybe be tied to a dramatic increase in testing. And no hint of the dropping death rates. If you wonder why so many are jaded about this whole thing, there it is. Stats are being parsed, fear is being peddled, all the while killing people's businesses, careers, savings, homes. OH, and starvation throughout most of sub-Saharan Africa. |
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