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Post by millring on Jul 15, 2020 16:00:53 GMT -5
Maybe it's a Chinese Robber thing, but I don't think so. These may not all represent a view from the institutions and academia of our societies, but they do so well and often enough to be a little scary.
All things deemed to be racist -- some even with the demand for their removal:
• Golf • Bedrooms • Jesus • Chess • Mahatma Gandhi • Cartoon characters • Milk • Roads • Band-Aids • Coronavirus • Orcs • Rice • Skincare products • Nurses • Butter • Applause • Mathematics • Front lawns • Breakfast cereals • Finding Asian men attractive • Soap • Toothpaste • White people speaking • White people not speaking • Hiking • Climate change • Ice cream snacks • The Golden Girls • Biological sex • Asking “how are you?” • The Oscars • Knitting • Cycling • Breweries • Air pollution • Abolishing slavery • The countryside • The suffragette movement • The medal for the Most Distinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George • Fish • Pancake syrup • Salt • Traffic signals • Earthquakes • Classical music • Horse racing • Trying not to be racist • Being nice • Anglo-Saxons • Toy Story 4 • Mary Poppins • Jogging • The Lake District • Wives • Fawlty Towers • Reaction GIFs • Botany • Sandwiches • Environmental activism • Women • Science • Western philosophy • Libraries • Dogs • Dieting • Yoga • Country music • Scrabble • Wine • Shoes • Having sex with black people • Not having sex with black people • Rock music • Tipping • Veganism • Dr. Seuss • Robots • Charles Dickens • The White Cliffs of Dover • Thomas the Tank Engine
I have so many times in recent days been reminded of the "niggardly" controversy of 20 years ago. I had reason to google it up yesterday only to find that the whole thing refuses to go away and a teacher was removed (though ultimately reinstated) for bringing it up again just last year.
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Post by Russell Letson on Jul 15, 2020 16:05:22 GMT -5
FWIW (and to continue to ignore Jeff's invitation to be outraged), the Museum graphic is based on a list compiled by Judith H. Katz, though the attribution line links to a Cascadia College diversity chart (it's in their Resources list), which in turn credits Katz and the company that employs her, the Kaleel Jamison Consulting Group (which provides diversity training and consulting). The chart (probably a PowerPoint slide) lists a 1990 copyright, but the Katz book it comes from, White Awareness: Handbook for Anti-Racism Training, originally appeared in 1978, with a second edition in 2003. The Cascadia chart pops up all over Google searches, often in organizational diversity/HR pages, so it well might be a standard handout/PowerPoint element in training sessions. FWIW Part Deux: From a generally positive review of the 1978 edition, by a reviewer at Hawaii Pacific College. The Handbook has an obvious weakness. While Katz is right to go beyond the individual in order to arouse groups to action, she does so by leaning heavily and simplistically on a concept of "white culture". The author adamantly discards any reliance on ethnic identification because, she says, this is a way of denying responsibility for perpetuating the racist system. By insisting that lithe ability to make it in the system is dependent on one's color, not one's ethnic background or abi1ities" (p. 131), she has overlooked the remarkable success of Asian Americans, to name just one group (there are others), who have risen out of color prejudice at great sacrifice, but who are now at the top of the economic ladder, having achieved in 1977 a family income 132% over the national average. One questions, too, how closely the poor and white, like Appalachians, share a "culture" or "community" with Chicago Polish Americans or San Francisco middle-class Greek Americans, or just how responsible the poor and white are for racism. Helen G. Chaplin, Explorations in Ethnic Studies, 1980
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Post by billhammond on Jul 15, 2020 16:07:53 GMT -5
Jeff, do you mean "unapologetically"?
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Post by millring on Jul 15, 2020 16:13:57 GMT -5
Jeff, do you mean "unapologetically"? Clearly not "Interesting Jeff" who wrote that.
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Post by Russell Letson on Jul 15, 2020 16:21:22 GMT -5
John, somebody somewhere is going to find fault with practically anything nameable, and often for stupid reasons. A degree of obsessive-compulsive disorder drives a good bit of the moral-purity advocates, and the mania for detecting and stamping out moral pollution can become pathological. Even Catholicism, which specializes in control-by-guilt, has to reign in scrupulosity. Those of us who escaped the Church still have to stamp out the lingering embers now and then, like Trump stamping out the lingering sparks of coronavirus.
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Post by millring on Jul 15, 2020 16:23:07 GMT -5
Those of us who escaped the Church still have to stamp out the lingering embers now and then. You're losing the war.
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Post by Russell Letson on Jul 15, 2020 16:24:40 GMT -5
Not with myself I'm not. Asbestos socks help.
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Post by fauxmaha on Jul 15, 2020 16:26:37 GMT -5
Jeff, do you mean "unapologetically"? I could claim I was being ironic, but the truth is I need an editor. Thank you.
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Post by fauxmaha on Jul 15, 2020 16:32:18 GMT -5
Those of us who escaped the Church still have to stamp out the lingering embers now and then. What I think you miss is that it wasn't "the Church" that you were fighting. It was an eternal pattern of human psychology, that by pure historical accident found expression in your experience via the Church, with which you fought. That same pattern is still there, and just as powerful and relevant as ever. But just as at it once found expression in the Church, it has now found expression elsewhere.
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Post by billhammond on Jul 15, 2020 16:37:42 GMT -5
Jeff, do you mean "unapologetically"? I could claim I was being ironic, but the truth is I need an editor. Thank you. No charge. It's my favorite kind of catch, and you would be amazed how often they occur -- keep in mind that I am usually the last station before stories go online or to print, and that several reads have occurred before me. So, be careful out there.
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Post by Russell Letson on Jul 15, 2020 16:43:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the egg-sucking lesson, Jeff.
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Post by fauxmaha on Jul 15, 2020 16:49:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the egg-sucking lesson, Jeff. Perhaps our editor could do something with that comment.
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Post by dradtke on Jul 15, 2020 16:56:18 GMT -5
Thanks for the egg-sucking lesson, Jeff. Perhaps our editor could do something with that comment. No, it's got the comma in the right place.
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Post by james on Jul 15, 2020 17:01:41 GMT -5
Robin DiAngelo's 'White Fragility' certainly seems to have issues. Discussing it in the podcast I linked in 'ouroboros', Ezra Klein said that there were some fair points, well made (40%). It's not on my pile. For alternatives, Ibram X Kendi is 'in my basket' and Reni Eddo Lodge seemed like solid stuff as I read it last year.
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Jul 15, 2020 17:23:55 GMT -5
Michael, what was the name of your uncle-in-law? CV Hamilton. At one point married to my mom’s sister—before my time. Point being, that side of the family was pretty immersed in the civil rights movements of the late 50s through the 70s. My growing up where I did was a conscious choice on the part of my parents, being that they were married pre loving v virginia. I don’t discuss this stuff on open forums, or anywhere, really—or, at least, I haven’t—but the age of unreason is well upon us, so I’m not sure I have a choice beyond speaking up, or choke on some of the things I see, and become a hermit. Still undecided. I once made mention here that it might be interesting reading how a socially liberal art guitar guy ended up as a black belt, expert shooter, and lay expert in UoF issues, but decided that it wasn’t worth penning the essay. Maybe it’s time now. I dunno. I’ll drink on it for a while...
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Post by Cornflake on Jul 15, 2020 17:34:53 GMT -5
I didn't mean to pry. Our biographies intersected a little and I wondered if I knew him. No.
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Post by Russell Letson on Jul 15, 2020 17:41:51 GMT -5
how a socially liberal art guitar guy ended up as a black belt, expert shooter, and lay expert in UoF issues Because those are all independent variables in the human tribe? Sometime I'll talk about my grad-school acquaintance, the ex-Ranger who was doing a social-work degree and teaching women's self-defense classes. Hell, this forum is stew of miscellaneous ingredients whose only guaranteed element is at least owning a guitar. Guitars--the garlic of social media!
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Jul 15, 2020 17:47:10 GMT -5
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Jul 15, 2020 18:23:01 GMT -5
Because those are all independent variables in the human tribe? This is quite true, but there are always deeper and more interesting reasons behind the independent variables. My dad--the first person in his town to earn a doctorate (econ and math PhD), a Fulbright scholar, and generally mild-mannered nice guy--chose WA state out of numerous options at the time because A) it was one of the first states to repeal anti-miscegenation laws (19th-c.), the first state to pass "shall issue" legislation in the US (1961, far before the CCW boom of the 80s) and generally a libertarian paradise, perfect for a young mixed couple wanting to start a life in the mid-60s. My dad had to use a handgun to defend his new family more than once--fortunately, no people were shot during these events. As to the martial arts, I picked that up on my own, as there is no avoidance or deescalating when you are surrounded by a circle of older kids chanting "Your mom is a dirty nigger; your mom is a dirty nigger" (not technically true, since my mom was actually of mixed background herself; mostly Black and Native). I learned early what it feels like to displace the cartilage in another child's nose under the heel of my hand, or a viola case. You can open a serious can of whoop ass on a MoFo with a hard instrument case. Just saying. We all got past it eventually. Incidentally, what eventually drew me back into combatives and shooting--a decade and a half after taking the top score at LFI for both the written and the qual, and then dropping it all to pursue music--and the tight-knit training industry of retired narc cops, CIA contractors, and SOF personnel was Rachel Dolezal, and more racist shenanigans, but that's a post for another day. I hasten to add that the above is not meant to imply that I had a raw deal over race; I didn't, and the people who have are too legion to count. It's just some background to help explain some of my world view and opinions.
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Jul 15, 2020 20:13:45 GMT -5
Aaaand, so long as we are on the topic of the DiAngelo book, and Black Columbia professors, here’s a take from the Atlanticwww.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizing-condescension-white-fragility/614146/ I am not convinced. Rather, I have learned that one of America’s favorite advice books of the moment is actually a racist tract. Despite the sincere intentions of its author, the book diminishes Black people in the name of dignifying us. This is unintentional, of course, like the racism DiAngelo sees in all whites.
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