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Post by james on Oct 26, 2020 16:04:25 GMT -5
Perdue knows very well how to pronounce Kamala Harris's name. He has been a fellow Senator for three years.
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Post by fauxmaha on Oct 26, 2020 16:10:49 GMT -5
Perdue knows very well how to pronounce Kamala Harris's name. He has been a fellow Senator for three years. Which has nothing to do with poking fun at the stupid meme.
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Post by Russell Letson on Oct 26, 2020 16:31:51 GMT -5
Templated thinking. Outrage on demand. Obediently regurgitated. I take Perdue to be poking at the whole "You mispronounced Kamala!!! That makes you a RAAAAACCCCIIIISSSSTTTT!!!" meme. Which he should. The meme is stupid. It is just another in a long line of memes obediently followed by those who are led to believe that strict adherence to such memes will earn them social acceptance to the cool kid table. I'm not sure who is supposed to be impressed with such virtue signaling, but it's not anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex. Would it matter what came first--the (clearly mocking) mispronunciation or the meme*? My first reaction on seeing the video was that he garbled her name and turned that into playground mockery to cover it. But that name-garbling is 1) childish and 2) unmistakably similar to the name-garbling visited on kids (or grownups) with names the garbler wants to mark as somehow not-really-us. And the audience seemed to get it that way, just as Trump's audiences get all the gibes and mocks and slurs. It's the easy schtick of the crappy club comic to a roomful of drunks. And my cerebral cortex functions quite well, thankyouverymuch. *BTW, is there a particular meme or do you mean the general disdain for the behavior?
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Post by fauxmaha on Oct 26, 2020 16:42:16 GMT -5
The specific meme I am referring to is the "GOTCHA! You put the accent on the wrong syllable when you said 'Kamala', therefore the burden of proof is now on you to demonstrate you're not a racist."
Boring.
There may very well be a segment of the culture that is impressed with such things. And I expect that sub-culture is impressed with themselves for being impressed with such things. More particularly, the obedient among them uncritically accept that if they adopt the "logic" of the meme as their own, they will gain social acceptance.
But the real joke is on those unfortunate, obedient followers. They don't realize that the "O'Briens" with whom they seek to ingratiate themselves don't actually believe the meme themselves. All the while they think they are playing the part of loyal foot soldier, when in truth, they are being played for fools.
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Post by epaul on Oct 26, 2020 16:54:52 GMT -5
Lot's of "memes" around here. It's not in my dictionary. Todd, what the hell is a "meme"? And how is pronounced? Do you say "me" twice real fast? Is the accent on the first "me" or the second? If the second, is it French? Or did Trump start this "me me" business?
Todd, you're moderator. A little help here. What the hell is a meme and how do you pronounce it? I vaguely recall using the word when I was a baby, but not clearly.
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Post by Russell Letson on Oct 26, 2020 17:51:24 GMT -5
The specific meme I am referring to is the "GOTCHA! You put the accent on the wrong syllable when you said 'Kamala', therefore the burden of proof is now on you to demonstrate you're not a racist." Boring. There may very well be a segment of the culture that is impressed with such things. And I expect that sub-culture is impressed with themselves for being impressed with such things. More particularly, the obedient among them uncritically accept that if they adopt the "logic" of the meme as their own, they will gain social acceptance. But the real joke is on those unfortunate, obedient followers. They don't realize that the "O'Briens" with whom they seek to ingratiate themselves don't actually believe the meme themselves. All the while they think they are playing the part of loyal foot soldier, when in truth, they are being played for fools. Forgive me for being nitpicky, but I take "meme" to indicate a particular image-plus-phrase, as distinct from, say, a family of responses that express a common reaction. And I suppose I'm out of it, since I don't get the "O'Brien" reference. In any case, I find it just a tad ironic to see "unfortunate, obedient followers" and "foot soldiers" mocked in this. I mean, how does one distinguish between these foot soldiers and the the ones who chorus "lock her up" (for varying values of "her") at Trump rallies--or the part of Perdue's audience that laughed and cheered at his playground gibe? Oh, and what Perdue is being called on is not a simple misplacing of a syllable in Harris's given name but that playground mockery he used to cover up his initial mispronunciation. It takes a tin ear to miss what's going on there. "Is" Perdue a racist? I don't know. Did he choose to use childish mockery with a distinct similiarity to actual racist mockery? Yes. Is he an asshole? Probably.
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Post by Village Idiot on Oct 26, 2020 18:03:06 GMT -5
Two syllables, epaul, equal emphasis on both. Mēmē.
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Post by billhammond on Oct 26, 2020 18:06:59 GMT -5
Two syllables, epaul, equal emphasis on both. Mēmē.
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Post by Village Idiot on Oct 26, 2020 18:10:29 GMT -5
Yes. (Although I have no idea who that person is).
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Post by billhammond on Oct 26, 2020 18:16:06 GMT -5
Yes. (Although I have no idea who that person is). Do you know who Drew Carey is?
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Post by fauxmaha on Oct 26, 2020 18:26:34 GMT -5
The specific meme I am referring to is the "GOTCHA! You put the accent on the wrong syllable when you said 'Kamala', therefore the burden of proof is now on you to demonstrate you're not a racist." Boring. There may very well be a segment of the culture that is impressed with such things. And I expect that sub-culture is impressed with themselves for being impressed with such things. More particularly, the obedient among them uncritically accept that if they adopt the "logic" of the meme as their own, they will gain social acceptance. But the real joke is on those unfortunate, obedient followers. They don't realize that the "O'Briens" with whom they seek to ingratiate themselves don't actually believe the meme themselves. All the while they think they are playing the part of loyal foot soldier, when in truth, they are being played for fools. Forgive me for being nitpicky, but I take "meme" to indicate a particular image-plus-phrase, as distinct from, say, a family of responses that express a common reaction. I'm using "meme" in the emergent fashion. More or less meaning "trope", but with a bit less baggage. Orwell Who did that? (Draw such a distinction, that is.)
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Post by Cornflake on Oct 26, 2020 18:30:41 GMT -5
"Two syllables, epaul, equal emphasis on both. Mēmē."
meme it's all about me
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Post by aquaduct on Oct 26, 2020 18:33:51 GMT -5
Rhymes with "deem".
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Oct 26, 2020 18:41:46 GMT -5
Two syllables, epaul, equal emphasis on both. Mēmē. She was hysterical! Mike
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Post by james on Oct 26, 2020 19:22:46 GMT -5
At the moment I am watching a documentary called 'How to Go Viral: The Art of the Meme with Richard Clay'. It's on BBC TV. A quite interesting exploration of memes and their history/evolution. Maybe it will pop up on US TV. BBC America or somesuch.
Also, as noted by others Sen. Perdue can, presumably, correctly say 'Vice President Harris' so that'll maybe help out with his pronunciation problems.
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Post by amanajoe on Oct 26, 2020 19:41:35 GMT -5
With all this stuff flying around, I'm interested to know if those who have voted or are going to vote, have actually spent the time to read the platforms posted by their candidates?
I have, it takes many hours to slog through them. If you don't come away with chills down your spine, or outright angry and physically ill by a large portion. There is something not right with you. I did get a kick out of the things they said that were in direct opposition to each other.
Yes, Joe Biden wants to do away with the petrochemical business under climate and under covid response, demands increased use of plexiglass barriers (a petrochemical product). That's in the press version but disappeared off the website after the meme came out.
Oddly, Donald Trump has an item about removing job barriers to recently released prisoners (members of his staff maybe?) and there is no similar policy that I could find in the 108 pages of the Joe Biden platform.
I will admit, that of the two, Joe's platform scared me more than Donald's. The fact the Joe is an old school politician gives me some relief as I know he doesn't mean any of it. He just is saying the things he thinks will get him elected. Kamala? I'm not sure i trust her at all. What city is this?
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Post by jdd2 on Oct 26, 2020 19:42:15 GMT -5
2 + 2 = 5
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Post by Village Idiot on Oct 26, 2020 19:48:39 GMT -5
Yes. (Although I have no idea who that person is). Do you know who Drew Carey is? The name sounds familiar.
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Post by aquaduct on Oct 26, 2020 20:03:13 GMT -5
With all this stuff flying around, I'm interested to know if those who have voted or are going to vote, have actually spent the time to read the platforms posted by their candidates? I have, it takes many hours to slog through them. If you don't come away with chills down your spine, or outright angry and physically ill by a large portion. There is something not right with you. I did get a kick out of the things they said that were in direct opposition to each other. Yes, Joe Biden wants to do away with the petrochemical business under climate and under covid response, demands increased use of plexiglass barriers (a petrochemical product). That's in the press version but disappeared off the website after the meme came out. Oddly, Donald Trump has an item about removing job barriers to recently released prisoners (members of his staff maybe?) and there is no similar policy that I could find in the 108 pages of the Joe Biden platform. I will admit, that of the two, Joe's platform scared me more than Donald's. The fact the Joe is an old school politician gives me some relief as I know he doesn't mean any of it. He just is saying the things he thinks will get him elected. Kamala? I'm not sure i trust her at all. What city is this? Trump's platform has been on full display for 4 years. There's nothing left to guess at. And the bit about recently released prisoners probably has a lot to do with his prison and criminal justice reforms. Again, that's happened. In full view of anyone curious enough to look. Biden's promised and not delivered much in a half century in DC. Garden variety pol getting fat without doing shit. Comparing promises made vs. promises kept should be easy.
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Post by theevan on Oct 26, 2020 20:21:17 GMT -5
For whatever reason, the GOP just doesn't like foreign-sounding names. That's why Spiro Anagnostopoulos became Spiro Agnew. That's why when Trump mentions his predecessor, he always seems to emphasize his middle name of "Hussein." It was kind of funny when Nimrata gave her speech at the RNC this summer and said America wasn't a racist country. It is so not-racist that she won't even use her given name because even she knows that among the GOP, "Nimrata Randhawa" doesn't sound, well, American. I doubt any of them changed their names to get elected. I know Jindal's story. Swing and a miss, David.
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