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Post by fauxmaha on Oct 25, 2020 17:22:43 GMT -5
With the possible exception of Peter (and I think his views are more nuanced than might be gleaned from off the cuff posts), I don't see anyone expressing unreserved support for either candidate.
For some reason, we're presented with a stunningly, bafflingly, historicaly, impossibly bad pair of candidates.
Most partisans, when confronted with the pathologies of their candidate, don't defend him. They point to the other guy's pathologies.
That reason, or reasons, is what interests me. There is something going on with what you might call our national psychology that's worth understanding.
Personally, I stopped caring when Romney lost. That's when I decided there wasn't any point. I wouldn't say I've gone full on accelerationist, but I don't see any soft landing. We're all slaves to math now.
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Post by factorychef on Oct 25, 2020 17:36:33 GMT -5
Barr is sure jumping on the Hunter Biden case for Trump .
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Post by Marshall on Oct 25, 2020 18:42:48 GMT -5
With the possible exception of Peter (and I think his views are more nuanced than might be gleaned from off the cuff posts), I don't see anyone expressing unreserved support for either candidate. For some reason, we're presented with a stunningly, bafflingly, historicaly, impossibly bad pair of candidates. Most partisans, when confronted with the pathologies of their candidate, don't defend him. They point to the other guy's pathologies. That reason, or reasons, is what interests me. There is something going on with what you might call our national psychology that's worth understanding. Personally, I stopped caring when Romney lost. That's when I decided there wasn't any point. I wouldn't say I've gone full on accelerationist, but I don't see any soft landing. We're all slaves to math now. Oh, I like Joe. I don't think he's the brightest bulb. Or the best candidate the Ds could have put forward. His "time" probably was 2016. But he passed on that (for family reasons). I'm hopeful he'll surround himself with some good competent people. I don't expect his inner circle will be Hunter Biden and the rest of the Biden clan (like Donald). People around Joe say he's a good person. Even the likes of Lindsey Graham (whom we all know and love for his steadfastness ) has nothing but good things to say about Joe's character. I don't think he's a narcissist any more than the other presidents during my life time, except Trump. So I will vote for him as much as I vote against Trump. PS - Now I know being a "nice guy" is not the highest criteria for being President. John McCain was a nice guy. Mitt Romney sure seems like a nice guy. And gee whiz, he's been a successful businessman too. I'd vote for Mitt over Joe, probably.
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Post by fauxmaha on Oct 25, 2020 19:44:27 GMT -5
Oh, I like Joe. I don't think he's the brightest bulb. Or the best candidate the Ds could have put forward. His "time" probably was 2016. You should write campaign ads.
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Post by Cornflake on Oct 25, 2020 20:52:13 GMT -5
"For some reason, we're presented with a stunningly, bafflingly, historicaly, impossibly bad pair of candidates."
I disagree. Who needs excitement? After four years of Mr. Trump, I'll take a decent man who believes in our fundamental institutions. Because I thought most Americans would feel the same, I supported Biden in the primary. He has put together a weird coalition that will disintegrate the moment he wins or loses. Bernie people and Lincoln Project Republicans. No one else that I can think of could have forged that shaky coalition. That's a very good candidate if you're interested in winning.
(Edit: Not that anyone will care but I actually preferred Klobuchar, who in hindsight I don't think would have been as strong, but she was gone by the time we voted here.)
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Post by coachdoc on Oct 25, 2020 21:47:04 GMT -5
Who is Kamala. I do not have a feel for her. Can someone here describe her without snark? Thanks in advance, kind friends.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 23:25:57 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on Oct 26, 2020 9:00:32 GMT -5
Who is Kamala. I do not have a feel for her. Can someone here describe her without snark? Thanks in advance, kind friends. SHe's a lawyer. She was elected Attorney General of California before becoming a Senator from there. SHe's a smart lady. She's a child of immigrants. Her mother, I think, is from India. (Not Indiana ). I think she was proposing Medicare for all during the primaries. SHe zinged Joe in one of the early debates when everybody was piling on Joe.
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Post by epaul on Oct 26, 2020 9:30:01 GMT -5
She is a huge Yankees fan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 9:49:39 GMT -5
Who is Kamala. I do not have a feel for her. Can someone here describe her without snark? Thanks in advance, kind friends. SHe's a lawyer. She was elected Attorney General of California before becoming a Senator from there. SHe's a smart lady. She's a child of immigrants. Her mother, I think, is from India. (Not Indiana ). I think she was proposing Medicare for all during the primaries. SHe zinged Joe in one of the early debates when everybody was piling on Joe. And she actually uses her given name, unlike Nimrata Randhawa, who we’ve come to know as Nikki Haley. Haley is proof immigrants can make it in the GOP as long as they change their foreign-sounding names. Same with Piyush Jindal. You know him as “Bobby.”
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Post by Cornflake on Oct 26, 2020 9:55:12 GMT -5
An old friend worked with Harris for a few years. He has a very high opinion of her and likes her. I didn't like her cheap shot at Biden in the debate and I thought she ran a dismal campaign so she wasn't my choice for VP, but she'll do.
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Post by coachdoc on Oct 26, 2020 9:55:29 GMT -5
She is a huge Yankees fan. Well, the hell with her politics. That cancels all her credibility. 😆
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Post by james on Oct 26, 2020 12:11:55 GMT -5
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Post by david on Oct 26, 2020 13:29:59 GMT -5
There are some very thoughtful posts here. An additional reason for Joe over Don is Joe's ability to obtain consensus, to reach across the aisle. Trump bludgeons whereas Joe reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 14:47:08 GMT -5
There are some very thoughtful posts here. An additional reason for Joe over Don is Joe's ability to obtain consensus, to reach across the aisle. Trump bludgeons whereas Joe reasons. It is basically the difference between a statesman and a politician. As the saying goes, a statesman is concerned about the next generation, while a politician is only concerned with the next election. Trump has never been concerned with future generations. His only concern, to the exclusion of all else, is how much money can he siphon off the rubes and how quickly can he do it. Trump has also transformed the GOP into a party that is watching its own demise because it hasn't kept up with America's changing demographics. It doesn't like those changes, so it ignores them, just like the party denies science. This transformation was under way before Trump came along, but he took the Newt Gingrich/Phil Gramm credo "compromise is a dirty word" and put it on steroids. As we've seen from McConnell, today's GOP says flatly, "Our way or the highway." That approach doesn't accomplish much. Compromise (and consensus) has always served to move our republic forward. The problem now is that Trump's GOP doesn't care about moving forward and in fact wants to regress. As someone who currently lives in the E.U., I can tell you that abroad, America is not respected like it used to be. It is not considered dependable or trustworthy. Yeah, Biden is concerned about winning elections because that is how you get the power to enact the changes you want to make. But Biden, for all his imperfections, actually wants to accomplish something. Trump just wants to fatten his bank accounts, including the one in China. And, oh yeah, he's gotta come up with $400 million to pay off some mysterious lender in the next couple of years.
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Post by theevan on Oct 26, 2020 15:02:07 GMT -5
SHe's a lawyer. She was elected Attorney General of California before becoming a Senator from there. SHe's a smart lady. She's a child of immigrants. Her mother, I think, is from India. (Not Indiana ). I think she was proposing Medicare for all during the primaries. SHe zinged Joe in one of the early debates when everybody was piling on Joe. And she actually uses her given name, unlike Nimrata Randhawa, who we’ve come to know as Nikki Haley. Haley is proof immigrants can make it in the GOP as long as they change their foreign-sounding names. Same with Piyush Jindal. You know him as “Bobby.” Cheap shot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 15:28:37 GMT -5
For whatever reason, the GOP just doesn't like foreign-sounding names. That's why Spiro Anagnostopoulos became Spiro Agnew. That's why when Trump mentions his predecessor, he always seems to emphasize his middle name of "Hussein."
It was kind of funny when Nimrata gave her speech at the RNC this summer and said America wasn't a racist country. It is so not-racist that she won't even use her given name because even she knows that among the GOP, "Nimrata Randhawa" doesn't sound, well, American.
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Post by fauxmaha on Oct 26, 2020 15:44:26 GMT -5
In a country filled with millions and millions of people with "Americanized" names, it takes a special sort of ideological capture to see that in binary, partisan terms.
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Post by james on Oct 26, 2020 15:45:04 GMT -5
Georgia Republican Senator David Perdue referring to Senator Harris as “KAH'-mah-lah? Kah-MAH'-lah? Kamala-mala-mala? I don’t know. Whatever.” with the disappointing approval of his audience seemed quite distasteful to me.
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Post by fauxmaha on Oct 26, 2020 15:57:56 GMT -5
Georgia Republican Senator David Perdue referring to Senator Harris as “KAH'-mah-lah? Kah-MAH'-lah? Kamala-mala-mala? I don’t know. Whatever.” to the disappointing laughter of his audience seemed quite distasteful to me. Of course it does. How could it be otherwise? Templated thinking. Outrage on demand. Obediently regurgitated. I take Perdue to be poking at the whole "You mispronounced Kamala!!! That makes you a RAAAAACCCCIIIISSSSTTTT!!!" meme. Which he should. The meme is stupid. It is just another in a long line of memes obediently followed by those who are led to believe that strict adherence to such memes will earn them social acceptance to the cool kid table. I'm not sure who is supposed to be impressed with such virtue signaling, but it's not anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex.
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