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Post by Marshall on Nov 24, 2020 15:15:06 GMT -5
The Deep State, that is. And Political Correctness too.
Sue was watching the Biden Cabinet announcements. She's calling them out. "Hispanic guy; Woman; black woman; Wait a minute? There's a white guy?" I said, "He's probably gay." But then he thanked his wife and kids.
But it sure looks like the Deep State had a big day. Of course, the proof is in the pudding. We'll see what we'll see.
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Post by John B on Nov 24, 2020 15:41:43 GMT -5
Because no one other than a straight white guy could be qualified...
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Post by John B on Nov 24, 2020 15:43:36 GMT -5
(... said the unqualified straight white guy)
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Post by howard lee on Nov 24, 2020 16:36:02 GMT -5
The Deep State, that is. And Political Correctness too. [...] Of course, the proof is in the pudding. [...] A-hem...
< "The proof of the pudding is in the eating." >
(...wrote the qualified copy editor.)
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Post by majorminor on Nov 24, 2020 16:49:11 GMT -5
Did you instruct her regarding the error of her ways? Yeah. Didn't think so....
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Post by Russell Letson on Nov 24, 2020 16:52:19 GMT -5
The proof was in the pudding but the dog ate it, along with my homework.
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Post by millring on Nov 24, 2020 17:46:32 GMT -5
How does that have anything to do with a "deep state"? I mean, the ridicule is hilarious and all, but I don't get the deep state part.
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Post by Village Idiot on Nov 24, 2020 17:49:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure.
The idea of the deep state is that there is a fairly large group of people who are secretly controlling the government, and that the group is so covert and skilled at working behind the scenes that the rest of us can't figure out who the members are or what exactly they are doing or manipulating or what they are controlling, correct? Another idea being that people believe they are active and exist, correct?
I'm just seeking understanding.
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Post by drlj on Nov 24, 2020 18:48:40 GMT -5
You guys should take up a hobby. Music, maybe.
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Post by Marshall on Nov 25, 2020 0:43:18 GMT -5
How does that have anything to do with a "deep state"? I mean, the ridicule is hilarious and all, but I don't get the deep state part. From what I saw, the appointees so far are long time government employees. (wonks?) So it's a flip of Trump's desire to dismantle a lot of long standing Agencies. (Policies?) I'm not passing judgement on the value of either approach. It's probably good to shake things up from time to time. But it sure looks like Biden is going back to the way things have been done for many administrations. Is that a good thing? - The proof is in the pudding.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 3:39:52 GMT -5
I, for one, am glad to see the adults put in charge again.
Trump’s life has been about chaos and cronyism. That’s why you take someone with zero experience in education and put her in charge of education. The list of examples goes on.
I get the theory that a competent administrator should be able to administer, regardless of the subject area. But Trump’s people demonstrated incompetence time and again. It helps to at least be conversant in the realm you’re administering.
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Post by howard lee on Nov 25, 2020 8:23:55 GMT -5
[...] The proof is in the pudding.
Only when presented thus:
Otherwise, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. We straight?
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Post by drlj on Nov 25, 2020 8:46:08 GMT -5
I truly hate pudding. Years ago, in another life, the pilots’ group I belonged to use to have dinners. Everyone would bring something. One very strange couple used to say they would bring dessert and they would arrive with a huge can, the kind that comes from one of those food warehouses and feeds 50, of chocolate pudding. They would open it, stick a ladle in it, and put it on the table where no one, not even them, would eat any of it. At the end of the evening, they would cover it with foil and take it home. They did this at every dinner.
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Post by Marshall on Nov 25, 2020 8:59:21 GMT -5
[...] The proof is in the pudding.
Only when presented thus: Otherwise, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. We straight?
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Post by coachdoc on Nov 25, 2020 11:33:00 GMT -5
You guys should take up a hobby. Music, maybe. Already done did it. It works. |
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Post by Marshall on Nov 25, 2020 11:47:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure. The idea of the deep state is that there is a fairly large group of people who are secretly controlling the government, and that the group is so covert and skilled at working behind the scenes that the rest of us can't figure out who the members are or what exactly they are doing or manipulating or what they are controlling, correct? Another idea being that people believe they are active and exist, correct? I'm just seeking understanding. I don't think it's sinister or secretive. My understanding of the Deep State is that there are thousands of civil servant type employees that, for a large part, run the government. The elected politicians are, to some degree, figureheads. So, the elected (or nominated) officials have a hard time steering the Titanic government of the US. Because Trump wanted to change the direction (180 degrees) from what most government agencies have been doing for decades, he put in place directors who were largely opposed to the current mission of the agency to try to reform it. But it was an uphill battle because the Deep State employees resisted every step of the way. Also of note, many of the agencies of government have expanded their reach into our governance beyond what was in their charter. Peter has ranted for years about the EPA's overreach. A similar case can be made for other agencies. Biden, on the other hand, has nominated people that have experience and are in agreement with the direction these agencies have been moving for decades. Thus, I quip "The Deep State is back!" (It's meant to be a joke. But one rooted in reality. And the pudding needs to be dove into to know if the outcome is tasty or not.) |
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Post by Village Idiot on Nov 25, 2020 13:08:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure. The idea of the deep state is that there is a fairly large group of people who are secretly controlling the government.... I don't think it's sinister or secretive. My understanding of the Deep State is that there are thousands of civil servant type employees that, for a large part, run the government. You mean they're not Lizard People? I always thought they were Lizard People. |
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Post by Marshall on Nov 25, 2020 13:14:17 GMT -5
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Post by drlj on Nov 25, 2020 13:26:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure. The idea of the deep state is that there is a fairly large group of people who are secretly controlling the government, and that the group is so covert and skilled at working behind the scenes that the rest of us can't figure out who the members are or what exactly they are doing or manipulating or what they are controlling, correct? Another idea being that people believe they are active and exist, correct? I'm just seeking understanding. I don't think it's sinister or secretive. My understanding of the Deep State is that there are thousands of civil servant type employees that, for a large part, run the government. The elected politicians are, to some degree, figureheads. So, the elected (or nominated) officials have a hard time steering the Titanic government of the US. Because Trump wanted to change the direction (180 degrees) from what most government agencies have been doing for decades, he put in place directors who were largely opposed to the current mission of the agency to try to reform it. But it was an uphill battle because the Deep State employees resisted every step of the way. Also of note, many of the agencies of government have expanded their reach into our governance beyond what was in their charter. Peter has ranted for years about the EPA's overreach. A similar case can be made for other agencies. Biden, on the other hand, has nominated people that have experience and are in agreement with the direction these agencies have been moving for decades. Thus, I quip "The Deep State is back!" (It's meant to be a joke. But one rooted in reality. And the pudding needs to be dove into to know if the outcome is tasty or not.) I will get you a big can and a ladle. Hope you like chocolate.. |
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Post by dradtke on Nov 25, 2020 13:39:35 GMT -5
I truly hate pudding. Years ago, in another life, the pilots’ group I belonged to use to have dinners. Everyone would bring something. One very strange couple used to say they would bring dessert and they would arrive with a huge can, the kind that comes from one of those food warehouses and feeds 50, of chocolate pudding. They would open it, stick a ladle in it, and put it on the table where no one, not even them, would eat any of it. At the end of the evening, they would cover it with foil and take it home. They did this at every dinner. You think maybe it was the same can? |
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