Dub
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Post by Dub on Dec 7, 2020 14:11:21 GMT -5
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Post by brucemacneill on Dec 7, 2020 14:24:37 GMT -5
He gives liberals too much credit for intelligence they don't actually have.
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Post by theevan on Dec 7, 2020 15:01:12 GMT -5
Bruce, please.
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Post by TKennedy on Dec 7, 2020 15:15:52 GMT -5
He gives liberals too much credit for intelligence they don't actually have. I read the opposite, he said they weren’t smart enough to orchestrate what is alleged to be such a sophisticated national operation involving hacking thousands of machines and training thousands of subversive poll workers. I agree 😊 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 16:40:07 GMT -5
He gives liberals too much credit for intelligence they don't actually have. I read the opposite, he said they weren’t smart enough to orchestrate what is alleged to be such a sophisticated national operation involving hacking thousands of machines and training thousands of subversive poll workers. I agree 😊 Actually, Douthat wrote: "The liberal establishment that I watched stagger through May and June could not plan a sweeping voter-fraud conspiracy to save its life." And that's the thing. Folks like Mr. MacNeill (who I no longer read, but sadly get exposed to when others quote him) have spent the past couple of years calling Biden "Sleepy Joe" and telling us he's been in politics for decades but has accomplished nothing. They've told us how senile he is and have dissed his intelligence at every turn. Now, however, they say he is the cunning mastermind who engineered the theft of an American presidential election -- and he did so with the aid of fellow travelers like Brian Kemp and Brad Raffensberger and Republican secretaries of state in several states. And Biden, Kemp et al pulled off this electoral heist without leaving a single evidentiary footprint. In fact, they were so good at it that Trump's Elite Strike Force of Lawyers® won't even go into court and argue fraud. They just argue the outcome was somehow wrong. So Biden is either dumber than a box of rocks or he planned and executed the biggest single crime in American history, a crime encompassing all 50 states. And somehow, the "Stop the Steal" crowd sees no inconsistency in that. Trump has bought into every conspiracy theory out there and Republicans have gleefully followed along. They've lost all sense of shame and given up any claim to sanity. They've lost their senses. |
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Post by Cornflake on Dec 7, 2020 16:47:30 GMT -5
Interesting piece, as his pieces often are. Thanks for sharing it.
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Post by theevan on Dec 7, 2020 18:06:47 GMT -5
I will offer another possibility. There doesn't need to be a sweeping Nationwide conspiracy when people are so anti Trump they will do anything. It didn't need to be a concerted effort, just many willing people doing as much as they knew how to do to swing the election.
I'm not saying that's what happened, just offering that as another possibility..
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Post by brucemacneill on Dec 7, 2020 18:54:28 GMT -5
I will offer another possibility. There doesn't need to be a sweeping Nationwide conspiracy when people are so anti Trump they will do anything. It didn't need to be a concerted effort, just many willing people doing as much as they knew how to do to swing the election. I'm not saying that's what happened, just offering that as another possibility.. It's only the cities that really matter so it only took a few city Democrats to decide to fix it and I doubt there were many city Republican poll workers to get in the way. The conspiracy theories of how to fix an election have been around for years so they didn't have to come up with their own ideas. The trick was to get the fake ballots counted quickly so signature verification didn't happen and blind ballots were mailed out and could be marked, collected and counted with no way to cross reference them to a voter. The virus gave an excuse for the blind ballots. Brilliant plan brilliantly executed, as I've said, and Bernie and the other Communists are laughing it was so easy. You can forget the U.S.A. It's gone. The lower courts won't get involved so we'll see if the Supreme Court will take a look but I doubt it. Any charges would be almost impossible to prove. It's a perfect crime. |
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Post by fauxmaha on Dec 7, 2020 19:23:51 GMT -5
What amuses me most about this...the Trumpians wailing about "stolen elections!!" and the Anti-Trumpians wailing about Trumpians is that they are both fundamentally saying the same thing.
Do you believe that our democratic systems are more or less intact and functioning properly?
If so, then why are the sturm and drang over Trump's temper tantrum?
Let him cry. So what? Everyone knew it was coming. (The tantrum, that is.) What difference does it make?
Are you afraid that somehow his crying is going to reverse the outcome? If you do, then that is an indictment of our systems that is no different, in substance, from what TeamTrump is saying.
Or are you afraid that somehow Trump is undermining our faith in America? Please. Dial up some news stories from four years ago (to the day) and refresh yourself on "Russians hacked the election", etc. Sour grapes appears to be our "new normal".
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Post by Cornflake on Dec 7, 2020 19:28:48 GMT -5
"It's only the cities that really matter so it only took a few city Democrats to decide to fix it and I doubt there were many city Republican poll workers to get in the way."
Bruce, I don't know how things work elsewhere, but cities in my state had nothing to do with the election. Elections are handled by the state. I think that's pretty much the norm but, as I say, I don't know that.
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Post by theevan on Dec 7, 2020 19:45:55 GMT -5
"It's only the cities that really matter so it only took a few city Democrats to decide to fix it and I doubt there were many city Republican poll workers to get in the way." Bruce, I don't know how things work elsewhere, but cities in my state had nothing to do with the election. Elections are handled by the state. I think that's pretty much the norm but, as I say, I don't know that. I think Bruce means cities in the Chicago/ Daly Kennedy election sense. Daly held out Chicago until he knew how many votes were needed. Then he delivered the election to JFK. |
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Post by Cornflake on Dec 7, 2020 19:49:26 GMT -5
Evan, I don't know what happened in that one but I may have missed Bruce's point. Where I am, at least, there isn't any party "machine" these days that could do that.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Dec 7, 2020 19:54:32 GMT -5
OK. I’ll fess up, you guys want to know how we really stole the election?
We voted.
Mike
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Post by jdd2 on Dec 7, 2020 20:07:28 GMT -5
Maybe competency at stealing an election is the proper metric--if you can steal it, then you're actually the candidate that's best suited to govern.
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Post by Cornflake on Dec 7, 2020 20:15:44 GMT -5
"Do you believe that our democratic systems are more or less intact and functioning properly?"
Mostly, despite all the stress on them lately, and for that I'm thankful.
"If so, then why are the sturm and drang over Trump's temper tantrum?"
I don't know about "sturm and drang." Unwarranted allegations of fraud are despicable and destructive. Our system depends not just on laws but also on the confidence of its citizens. Undermining those without a damned good reason is not okay.
"Let him cry. So what? Everyone knew it was coming. (The tantrum, that is.) What difference does it make?"
See above. I figured it was coming but it's not okay. That's why I'm glad he's going.
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Post by millring on Dec 7, 2020 20:25:23 GMT -5
I like Douthat generally. I've highly recommended "Bad Religion". But he describes exactly none of the reasons the folks who I know suspect that the election was fraudulent. None.
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Post by coachdoc on Dec 7, 2020 20:34:08 GMT -5
Our democracy is intact. It works. It is why Trump won in 2016, lost in 2020 when we voted him out.
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Dub
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Post by Dub on Dec 7, 2020 21:41:42 GMT -5
"It's only the cities that really matter so it only took a few city Democrats to decide to fix it and I doubt there were many city Republican poll workers to get in the way." Bruce, I don't know how things work elsewhere, but cities in my state had nothing to do with the election. Elections are handled by the state. I think that's pretty much the norm but, as I say, I don't know that. I think Bruce means cities in the Chicago/ Daly Kennedy election sense. Daly held out Chicago until he knew how many votes were needed. Then he delivered the election to JFK. I can’t believe hizzonor da mare would have done anything so underhanded.  |
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Dec 7, 2020 22:22:57 GMT -5
I will offer another possibility. There doesn't need to be a sweeping Nationwide conspiracy when people are so anti Trump they will do anything. It didn't need to be a concerted effort, just many willing people doing as much as they knew how to do to swing the election. I'm not saying that's what happened, just offering that as another possibility.. I admit to having done as much as I knew how to do to swing the election. I voted. |
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Post by james on Dec 7, 2020 22:30:26 GMT -5
What amuses me most about this...the Trumpians wailing about "stolen elections!!" and the Anti-Trumpians wailing about Trumpians is that they are both fundamentally saying the same thing. Do you believe that our democratic systems are more or less intact and functioning properly? If so, then why are the sturm and drang over Trump's temper tantrum? Let him cry. So what? Everyone knew it was coming. (The tantrum, that is.) What difference does it make? Are you afraid that somehow his crying is going to reverse the outcome? If you do, then that is an indictment of our systems that is no different, in substance, from what TeamTrump is saying. Or are you afraid that somehow Trump is undermining our faith in America? Please. Dial up some news stories from four years ago (to the day) and refresh yourself on "Russians hacked the election", etc. Sour grapes appears to be our "new normal". The range of positions and opinions and responses and extrapolations you mention is not as broad as I have observed. |
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