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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Feb 10, 2021 12:26:48 GMT -5
So, as I age I’m getting some typical issues with my health, and I’m thinking of selling my downwind race SUP, and getting this, northstarcanoes.com/canoe/northwind/?option=soloIssues for me are: weight, performance, coupled with the Zen/joy of propelling ones self through the water. Weight, because I’ll have to Schlepp and lift and put on and off the racks on the truck myself. Performance, because I’m an old surfer and it’s more fun to go fast in the water than to go slow. Paddling: seated or kneeling? Kneeling gets yo more power per stroke, but seated might be more doable as I age. So. Thoughts? Mike |
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Post by epaul on Feb 10, 2021 12:43:57 GMT -5
You'll be wanting to see that DaveR fellow. He isn't cheap, but he is good. Or... was it he isn't very good but he's cheap?
One of them. Regardless, he will be able to get you set up for well under ten grand.
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Post by epaul on Feb 10, 2021 12:46:54 GMT -5
My thought is, how about a kayak designed for old men (easy to get in and out of and not too skinny). Or some type of canoe/kayak hybrid. Or a small canoe designed for one person.
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Post by epaul on Feb 10, 2021 12:51:32 GMT -5
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Feb 10, 2021 12:55:15 GMT -5
OK, Epaul. What part of weight and performance do you not understand?
Mike
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Post by epaul on Feb 10, 2021 12:57:27 GMT -5
Better yet ...   |
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Post by epaul on Feb 10, 2021 12:58:10 GMT -5
Well, maybe you'd better check with Dave/
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Post by dradtke on Feb 10, 2021 13:19:51 GMT -5
Where are you going to paddle it? I'm out of date on specifics, but I can do general. Aramid is a generic name for Kevlar, like tissue and Kleenex. Then things get more complicated with all the different proprietary marketing naming gobbbledegook and resins and shit. Don't go any deeper unless you've got a lot of time to kill. At your age, go as lightweight as you can and don't hit any rocks. If you want to paddle whitewater, go with a kayak. They're spun out of polyethylene and are cheap and indestructible. If you're going to paddle on lakes and rivers, go with a Kevlar canoe for weight. (I have no idea where graphite canoes fall.) Long skinny canoes go faster and are harder to turn. Shorter canoes with more rocker are more fun if you want to do anything beside go fast in a straight line. Solo canoes are fun. If you might go solo some days and with someone on other days, get a 16' tandem. If you sit facing backwards on the front seat of a tandem, it puts your weight close to the middle of the boat where it would be in a solo, and since a canoe is pointy at both ends it works just fine. Personally I prefer to kneel because it's not as hard on my back. Kneepads are good. Sitting gives you a lower center of balance, but I find it's harder to shift around sitting down. There are people who disagree with me on certain issues about canoeing, but they're all wrong.  |
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Post by howard lee on Feb 10, 2021 13:21:09 GMT -5
I can row a boat. Canoe?
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Feb 10, 2021 13:48:31 GMT -5
David, I live about a mile and a half from the Willamette river, and there is a park I can put in at. It’s a pretty lazy and wide river in the summer, after the snows melt in the spring. Also the Tualitin river is close and almost doesn’t move in the summer. And there are lakes here and there within driving distance. The weight between the carbon fiber arimide layup and the pure arimide layup are within a lb of each other, so I’d go carbon as it’s supposed to be a little more durable. I’m thinking kneeling with a pad also, and aluminum supports as it’s more durable than wood and saves a lb or two. Wood is pretty though.  Mike |
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Post by TKennedy on Feb 10, 2021 14:28:35 GMT -5
You might want to demo both a light canoe and a nice kayak before making up your mind. I have never paddled a really nice lightweight canoe (we have a big heavy aluminum one) but the last three years I have really gotten hooked on kayaking. You are right on the water and it’s a cool feeling.
It’s fun to explore nearby lakes and the back channel waterways that are off the beaten path and full of wildlife.
I started with a Wilderness Systems Pungo but got a longer faster Tsunami which I love. It’s 50 lbs but with V shaped roof racks I can get it on my car fairly easily and have a little dolly if I have to transport it any distance.
Either way you are going to have a lot of quiet fun🙂
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Post by Dub on Feb 10, 2021 15:17:58 GMT -5
All their canoes seem to have the same amount of rocker in terms of inches. This means that the shorter canoes will have a more pronounced rocker than the longer ones. Rocker is desirable on streams and rivers because it makes the canoe more maneuverable. Less rocker (or none) is often preferred for large flat water because the hull tracks better. Their 16' model seems to have quite a bit of tumblehome, something I'd rather not have in a canoe as they tend to run wetter. I wouldn't go for the BlackLite option but stay with the StarLite all Aramid construction. Aramid is already much stronger than fiberglass. The carbon fiber will make the hull stiffer and more brittle. Those are undesirable features if you hit a rock. Also remember, the speed (or ease of paddling) of a displacement hull is limited by its length. A longer hull can go faster before it overtakes it's bow wake and the stern sinks due to cavitation. I would go for the seventeen footer StarLite model with e6 carbon gunwales unless you might be doing whitewater in which case I'd go for aluminum or maybe even wood for its flexibility. My own choice might be a We•no•nah Kingfisher Ultra-light w/Aramid. It's only sixteen feet but only weighs 39 lb. My other choice would be a stripper like dradtke's image but with Aramid for the fabric rather than fiberglass. Much lighter and stronger. The wood strips can be beautiful but I don't need my canoe to look like furniture. I want it light, fast and strong. The advantage, to me, of a stripper is that I get to choose the "lines" for the hull. |
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Post by millring on Feb 10, 2021 17:10:55 GMT -5
As my Mom taught me: Canoe canoe? Not yacht, boat I will schooner or later. |
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Post by RickW on Feb 10, 2021 17:14:01 GMT -5
Kayak. Much easier to handle, better in more different kinds of water, way more maneuverable. Have a few friends with them. The river sized ones you can haul around yourself. You can also get roof racks that tip and bring it to you.
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Post by millring on Feb 10, 2021 17:15:59 GMT -5
The local Uniroyal plant used to make rubber canoes.b lightweight, keel-less, bouyant, and indestructible. I had one for years. You could scrape bottom on a shallow creekbed and push on. Sucked on the lakes, though. Especially in wind.
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Post by jdd2 on Feb 10, 2021 17:18:42 GMT -5
Canoes/kayaks I can understand, but have yet to figure out coracles.
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Post by howard lee on Feb 10, 2021 17:30:53 GMT -5
Canoes/kayaks I can understand, but have yet to figure out coracles.
With butter and garlic they're great.
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Post by Dave Poor on Feb 10, 2021 19:30:04 GMT -5
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Post by dradtke on Feb 10, 2021 20:03:37 GMT -5
The wooden canoe in the picture isn't mine, but I've built any number of them and still have three in the garage. They don't look like that anymore. In fact, two of them need a bit of fiberglass repair before they go out again. I don't get out nearly as much as I used to, but whenever I lift it up now I think kevlar. Can't go wrong with anything We-No-Nah.
I can see how carbon fiber would make a canoe stiffer. No matter how hard you try, you will hit a few rocks, and wood or kevlar flexibility is good then. The only time you need stiffness is if you're racing.
My daughter recently got a small kayak and I've been out with her a few times. Great fun to paddle out on the water, but a royal pain to get in and out of.
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Post by t-bob on Feb 10, 2021 20:12:42 GMT -5
Who likes Canoe perfume?
Canoe by Dana Cologne. If you want a scent that treads the line between freshness and the exotic, the blend of aromas at work in Canoe is the men's fragrance for you to try. Released in 1996, this offering from Dana sprinkles the patchouli in with notes of carnation, lavender, sage and lemon, making this just as suitable for a spring outdoor luncheon as it is for a night out playing darts or pool with your friends. When you spray this on, those you walk by are sure to take notice.
I have some of that on my avatar. You can smell it
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