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Post by RickW on Mar 7, 2021 13:17:46 GMT -5
This was a first for me, that I noticed, at any rate. Put a new set of Elixir mediums on the Stonebridge. The intonation on the Stonebridge is excellent, it had a great set up done on it just before I bought it, and I haven’t done anything to it since.
I’ve recently been working on 3 pieces with chords above the 12th fret. They also mix open strings with fretted notes. This was all fine, until I changed the strings. The new D string was out at the 12th fret, 20+ cents flat. I slacked it off, reseated it beneath the bridge pin. Nothing worked, all the same. I remembered I had another partial pack of Elxirs, and the D was still there. Put it on, and it was fine, back to being stellar intonation.
I really don’t understand why that would be so. Some flaw in the metal or winding is about all it could be, but seems weird if would affect the intonation, rather than just breaking.
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Post by Marty on Mar 7, 2021 14:05:35 GMT -5
Most steel string makers leave a flattened area on the string core just before the end of the winding. If for some reason that flat area gets at the beginning of the wind, over the bridge area, that would probably throw the string off. Or maybe a loose area of winding near the bridge.
For years I really disliked Augustine nylon strings because when I installed a set for a customer I would have to replace a string that would not play in tune on about every third set or so. At some point the string would chorus on a note, harmonic waver. While Augustine's were the most common for defects I would get them in Hannabach and LaBella strings also. D'Addario seem to be the most trouble free nylon strings.
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Post by howard lee on Mar 7, 2021 17:52:51 GMT -5
Badfinger. And bad hair, too. But good music.
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Post by TKennedy on Mar 7, 2021 18:04:14 GMT -5
For initial string up on new builds I always used to use cheap musicians friend generic strings as you usually break a couple with the constant tuning and retuning setting action and intonation.
One time I just could not get a couple of strings intonated right. Pretty far out. Checked the saddle position a bunch of times and couldn’t figure out why. Put on a set of DAddarios and all was well.
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Post by coachdoc on Mar 7, 2021 21:25:03 GMT -5
Is there a connection with those guys and the Beatles or just McCartney? I always had that impression, Sure have a Beatlesque sound.
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Post by John B on Mar 7, 2021 21:44:08 GMT -5
Is there a connection with those guys and the Beatles or just McCartney? I always had that impression, Sure have a Beatlesque sound. Yes. They were the first act signed to Apple Records. Paul wrote "Come And Get It" for them. George played the fantastic slide on "Day After Day." At least some of the gorgeous acoustic guitar on George's "My Sweet Lord" is Badfinger. |
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Post by howard lee on Mar 8, 2021 8:45:19 GMT -5
Is there a connection with those guys and the Beatles or just McCartney? I always had that impression, Sure have a Beatlesque sound. Yes. They were the first act signed to Apple Records. Paul wrote "Come And Get It" for them. George played the fantastic slide on "Day After Day." At least some of the gorgeous acoustic guitar on George's "My Sweet Lord" is Badfinger.
John, I'm looking hard for George Harrison in this video, playing slide, and I can't seem to find him. That sure looks like Pete Ham with a glass slide on his (bad)finger.
They had a series of hits as well as a string of bad luck. When Apple Records folded in 1973, their crooked manager signed them with Warner, but their contracts were so convoluted that he was able to steal millions from them. Two of their lives ended in suicide.
Sad story.
PS: They originally formed the band in Swansea, Wales, Frazer's hometown.
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Post by theevan on Mar 8, 2021 8:59:49 GMT -5
String intonation problems are pretty common with nylon strings
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Post by Marty on Mar 8, 2021 9:31:26 GMT -5
String intonation problems are pretty common with nylon strings What strings do you use Evan? |
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Post by John B on Mar 8, 2021 14:24:07 GMT -5
Yes. They were the first act signed to Apple Records. Paul wrote "Come And Get It" for them. George played the fantastic slide on "Day After Day." At least some of the gorgeous acoustic guitar on George's "My Sweet Lord" is Badfinger.
John, I'm looking hard for George Harrison in this video, playing slide, and I can't seem to find him. That sure looks like Pete Ham with a glass slide on his (bad)finger.
They had a series of hits as well as a string of bad luck. When Apple Records folded in 1973, their crooked manager signed them with Warner, but their contracts were so convoluted that he was able to steal millions from them. Two of their lives ended in suicide.
Sad story.
PS: They originally formed the band in Swansea, Wales, Frazer's hometown.
Ok, per the wiki, George contributed "some" slide guitar to the recording, which he was producing. Ask your friend Ron - he'd know better than me  |
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Post by howard lee on Mar 8, 2021 15:03:50 GMT -5
"Day After Day" was written and sung by Pete Ham and produced by George Harrison, who plays some of the slide guitar parts of the song along with Ham. The record also features Leon Russell on piano.
Right you are!
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Post by theevan on Mar 8, 2021 15:50:32 GMT -5
String intonation problems are pretty common with nylon strings What strings do you use Evan? On my Masaki Sakurai I use the D'Addario Pro Arte carbon set. Never have had an intonation problem like I had with the Savarez Alliance carbons. The guitar likes the brightening, but not the hard tone imparted by the Alliance. On my James Frieson I use the Savarez New Cristal Corum set. Those are great strings for most good classicals. The trebles are nylon and sound great. The basses are colorful in tone. Love 'em. The Frieson likes medium tension. High tension seems to choke the sound. |
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Post by Marty on Mar 8, 2021 22:13:33 GMT -5
What strings do you use Evan? On my Masaki Sakurai I use the D'Addario Pro Arte carbon set. Never have had an intonation problem like I had with the Savarez Alliance carbons. The guitar likes the brightening, but not the hard tone imparted by the Alliance. On my James Frieson I use the Savarez New Cristal Corum set. Those are great strings for most good classicals. The trebles are nylon and sound great. The basses are colorful in tone. Love 'em. The Frieson likes medium tension. High tension seems to choke the sound. You are already using the sets I could recommend. I find Pro Arte carbon trebles to be very consistent and they feel great. |
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