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Post by aquaduct on May 20, 2022 12:31:35 GMT -5
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Post by james on May 20, 2022 13:32:32 GMT -5
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on May 20, 2022 13:48:56 GMT -5
Todd Rokita is an ambitious asshole who will pander to whatever group he thinks will advance his aspirations. When he was a congressman (my district, unfortunately) he gained a reputation for mistreating the volunteer drivers who chauffeured him around the district. If you like him, I wish there was something I could do to make him yours. He tried to move to the Senate and failed. Now he wants to be governor. I doubt he will be. He is despised within his own party leadership and has feuded with the current Republican governor who is widely respected by most of the state, even a large number of Democrats.
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Post by aquaduct on May 20, 2022 14:20:19 GMT -5
Todd Rokita is an ambitious asshole who will pander to whatever group he thinks will advance his aspirations. When he was a congressman (my district, unfortunately) he gained a reputation for mistreating the volunteer drivers who chauffeured him around the district. If you like him, I wish there was something I could do to make him yours. He tried to move to the Senate and failed. Now he wants to be governor. I doubt he will be. He is despised within his own party leadership and has feuded with the current Republican governor who is widely respected by most of the state, even a large number of Democrats. Well he's certainly got great timing coming just in advance of the coming November massacre. And it's hilarious. Can't even be stopped by misinformation police. Perfectly backed up. All over but the whining. |
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Post by james on May 20, 2022 14:52:16 GMT -5
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Post by david on May 20, 2022 15:05:03 GMT -5
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Post by Shannon on May 20, 2022 15:38:43 GMT -5
I should know better than to poke my nose into a thread like this, but since I have a bit of expertise in health-care issues ...
I read the Barrington Declaration (note that I haven't read about the declaration; I wanted to form my own opinions). I think there are some valid points made there, but I also think there is much there that does not match the actual experience of me and the colleagues with whom I have discussed COVID.
I also want to point out that it was signed in October, 2020. At that point, we were even earlier in our infancy as far as understanding COVID and how to respond to it. There is much more data now available regarding the issues set forth, and it is likely that those who either supported or criticized the declaration at its initial offering would have different and better-informed positions now. Even so, there is still much we do not know.
As far as reporting disinformation goes, it seems to me that most of the furor comes from those who are poorly trained to know what is truly disinformation and what is not (and I am speaking of those whose opinions appear in the media, not of any of my friends here on the forum). The most honest response to questions about how we should react to COVID should always begin with the phrase: "Based on the data that is currently available ..." and should end with "but this could change as we learn more."
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Post by millring on May 20, 2022 19:01:40 GMT -5
I saw the development of misinformation pretty graphically and became shocked at how many people stopped believing things they've known for 30-50 years and started believing things contrary to it. In particular (but by far not limited to), being told that natural immunity is not a thing, that vaccine was the only hope for survival and was absolutely and undeniably better than the natural immunity (since it isn't a real thing anyway). I was told there was no risk to getting the vaccine and then saw my nephew with type 1 diabetes hospitalized for a week in reaction to the vaccine, an obese friend hospitalized and in a coma for three days in reaction to the vaccine. I heard people who had colds and got over them and were thankful it wasn't covid, rather than realizing that if it had been covid and they survived it just fine, that was the best news they could have gotten since the pandemic started.
If there's no such thing as natural immunity vaccines wouldn't work. If what people are being injected with isn't a vaccine, then "anti-vaxxers" aren't that, are they? If anyone wanted anything close to unanimity in public response to the virus and the vaccine, their worst enemy wasn't the skeptic. It was the misinformation from their own side.
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Post by james on May 20, 2022 19:33:57 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on May 20, 2022 21:04:17 GMT -5
Boy, assholes like Orac sure have a hard on for defaming, insulting, and threatening "anti-vaxxers", a stupid denigration of folks who simply want to make their thier own health decisions based on their thier own informed analysis of the data before them.
Wonder if those thugs wear their thier jackboots to bed.
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Post by james on May 20, 2022 22:00:19 GMT -5
Attempting to defend the gullible and the vulnerable from the sometimes lethal dangers and effects of ignorance, medical mis/disinformation, (and hucksterism and quackery) is a respectworthy and necessary endeavour.
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Post by aquaduct on May 21, 2022 7:22:40 GMT -5
Attempting to defend the gullible and the vulnerable from the sometimes lethal dangers and effects of ignorance, medical mis/disinformation, (and hucksterism and quackery) is a respectworthy and necessary endeavour. And you seem to believe yourself qualified enough to make those judgements for others. Somehow I doubt your omniscience. |
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