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Post by t-bob on Jun 30, 2022 14:47:46 GMT -5
An excerpt..... I don't think the president (Trump) will ever have any legal problems. That's my thoughts.
Every Crime Imaginable: The House January 6th Committee has issued a subpoena to former White House Counsel Pat Cipollone, who fought back against President Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Cipollone is being summoned as there’s increasing talk about possible criminal charges against Trump and the circle of people around him who attempted what would have amounted to a coup. The former White House lawyer was present during conversations and meetings leading up to January 6th in which Trump talked about using his powers of office to overturn the election. Cipollone might refuse to testify, citing attorney client privilege, but the privilege doesn’t cover planning for commission of a crime. “Any concerns Mr. Cipollone has about the institutional prerogatives of the office he previously held are clearly outweighed by the need for his testimony,” Representatives Bennie Thompson and Liz Cheney, the leaders of the committee, said in a statement. The Cipollone subpoena comes after the dramatic testimony Tuesday by former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, who overheard a conversation between Cipollone and Chief of Staff mark Meadows about the crowd at the Capitol calling for Vice president Mike Pence to be hanged. She also said Cipollone objected to the plan for Trump to March to the Capitol with the protesters on January 6th saying, “We’re going to get charged with every crime imaginable.”
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Jun 30, 2022 15:23:48 GMT -5
Bob, you are probably right that Trump will not face federal charges. I'm not so sure about New York charges.
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Post by Cornflake on Jun 30, 2022 16:30:19 GMT -5
I don't much care whether he faces charges. I do care that the truth comes out. Some people will deny it no matter what but a lot won't.
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Post by aquaduct on Jun 30, 2022 18:43:04 GMT -5
I don't much care whether he faces charges. I do care that the truth comes out. Some people will deny it no matter what but a lot won't. You certainly won't get any of that from this Soviet inspired show trial. They have a real problem even spelling the word "truth".
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Post by factorychef on Jun 30, 2022 18:58:18 GMT -5
OK!
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Post by james on Jun 30, 2022 19:34:22 GMT -5
DOJ could charge Trump with conspiracy to defraud the United States and obstruction of the vote certification maybe? Still very little is known of the evidence they have been amassing as they have worked their way up through investigations and largely secret sworn testimony of increasingly senior and significant subjects www.emptywheel.net/2022/06/29/pat-cipollone-predicted-the-obstruction-and-confraudus-prosecutions/The witness tampering like behaviour revealed at the end of the Hutchinson hearing is also quite a teaser. Witness statements such as Hutchinson's at the Jan 6 hearings have been after sworn oaths and under penalty of perjury. Which is not insignificant. Documentary maker Alex Holder's footage and possible testimony(?) might well be interesting. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/eric-trump-alex-holder-jan-6-b2110402.htmlThings definitely seem to be warming up on a few fronts. As yet undiscussed Meadows texts still to come ? Jan 5th Willard Hotel 'war room' shenanigans too. I wonder if Roger Stone or Ali Alexander have been helpful to/flipped by the DOJ subsequent to oathkeeper and proud boy cooperation? ETA - Bonus summaries and explainers from Prof.Richardson on the Hutchinson hearing heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/june-28-2022And the Cipollone subpoena and some hearing reactions
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Post by aquaduct on Jun 30, 2022 21:34:23 GMT -5
DOJ certainly could take Trump to trial (and remember, only an actual conviction will prevent Trump from running again and the committee doesn't have actual prosecution authority themselves) but that's quite a risky move for Democrats. Remember, Trump's made fools of them through 2 impeachments so far. A bit of honest introspection is probably wise considering the list of potential defense witness' that could be called to testify and be cross-examined publically about their role in this whole thing that so far, the commitee has seemingly missed. And always remember, perjury really matters in a real court of law as does hearsay, etc. which seems to be all they've got. Cassidy Hutchinson wouldn't see the light of day if she's smart, but so far I haven't seen any indication she is. Given how badly the Deep State and media have treated Trump supporters (not even a shred of an attempt to unite the country) I'm sure the fireworks of a televised Trump trial would probably make the ratings of even the Depp-Heard trial look like child's play. Which would be humiliation heaped on humiliation for this piece of crap set of hearings. And finally, since the evidence of election corruption has never really had a hearing, it would also force Trump (hey, goes to motive) to run through ALL of that in primetime must watch TV. That seems to me to be quite a risk for Democrats to take and I'm wagering they just settle in the end for some kind of bullshit boring report that doesn't draw much attention to itself. So I say go for it! Nothing would be more fun. And as a bonus, Biden and the Democrat's chances in 2024 would pretty much be over. I hear there's some quibbling among the commitee about whether or not they'll refer anything to DOJ. Come on guys, no guts no glory.
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Post by factorychef on Jul 1, 2022 2:40:03 GMT -5
SPIN!
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