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Israel
Oct 7, 2023 13:33:35 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on Oct 7, 2023 13:33:35 GMT -5
Tough stuff going on over there. What say ye?
I expect this is planned to subvert the possible Saudi-Israel deal.
Gonna be messy. Israelis intelligence dropped the ball for sure.
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Oct 7, 2023 13:54:23 GMT -5
Post by epaul on Oct 7, 2023 13:54:23 GMT -5
It's Biden's fault!
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Post by Cornflake on Oct 7, 2023 14:09:03 GMT -5
Talk about intractable problems.
Years ago I always cheered for Israel. Netanyahu and his ilk have changed that. Israel moved from being the kid who was being bullied to being the bully. That doesn't justify what Hamas has done. We can't go back seventy years and undo history. There are new generations who have never known any home but Israel. The parties have to achieve a two-state solution. Israel has made that much harder with all its settlements.
So fooey on all concerned but, in this instance, particularly on Hamas.
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Post by RickW on Oct 7, 2023 14:37:32 GMT -5
Yes, the Palestinians are forced to live as refugees in their own country, and you can understand the anger, but my goodness, the Israelis are going to pound the Gaza Strip to rubble. What exactly Hamas felt they were going to achieve by this, who knows? Maybe they’re hoping that if the Israelis go far enough, other Arab countries will come in? But the price they are going to pay will be enormous.
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Post by Marshall on Oct 7, 2023 14:47:34 GMT -5
There are rumors that The US was brokering a deal tween The Saudis and Israel. The stickler is always the Palestinian Issue. I think Hamas is putting the Arab world (and the world as a whole) on notice that Isreal's treatment of the Palestinians cannot go unspoken for.
I whole heartedly support Isreal's right to exist and defend itself. But the West Bank settlements have gone way too far. There has to be a reckoning for the Palestinian people.
Hamas are terrorists. But Israel should not have Carte blanche to allow settlements on the West Bank without international repercussions.
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Post by theevan on Oct 7, 2023 15:00:26 GMT -5
Yeah, Hamas has screwed themselves on this one. I've seen some photos and footage I wish I hadn't. It is a very, very bad look for them. Indiscriminately executing elderly Israelis waiting at a bus stop? Parading the naked body of a dead woman through the streets. Going house to house and killing entire families? And much more. It is awful. Israel has to respond with overwhelming force and they will. The world is already a powder keg and now we have more players eagerly striking matches. Yikes
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Israel
Oct 7, 2023 19:11:20 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Oct 7, 2023 19:11:20 GMT -5
Good God, can Biden get any worse?
Blew the pull out of Afghanistan. Launched a proxy war with Russia over a thoroughly corrupt Ukrainian government that we have zero business being in. And now the tinderbox of the 3rd World War has been lit.
Compared to Trump and the Abraham Accords and not a single new war. Peace through strength.
A completely foreign concept to that idiot Biden.
Well congratulations. All y'all who didn't like mean tweets- y'all broke it. Now what are you going to do about it?
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Israel
Oct 7, 2023 19:46:06 GMT -5
Post by epaul on Oct 7, 2023 19:46:06 GMT -5
Plus, Biden has been mixing up all our blood. Somehow.
But, Trump will un-mix our blood. Get it nice and pure again. And he will solve the Ukraine problem by giving those inconvenient bastards to Putin. And he will solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue by sitting them in a room, all 12 million of them, and make them watch a video of his book, The Art of the Deal.
And what are Casper and I are going to do about all of it? We are going to have some ice cream. Me vanila, Casper chocolate.
(Dog lovers, don't worry. Casper once ate a 16 oz. chocolate Easter Bunny to no ill effect. A little chocolate ice cream won't even make him burp.)
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Oct 7, 2023 20:14:35 GMT -5
Post by aquaduct on Oct 7, 2023 20:14:35 GMT -5
Plus, Biden has been mixing up all our blood. Somehow. But, Trump will un-mix our blood. Get it nice and pure again. And he will solve the Ukraine problem by giving those inconvenient bastards to Putin. And he will solve the Israeli/Palestinian issue by sitting them in a room, all 12 million of them, and make them watch a video of his book, The Art of the Deal. And what are Casper and I are going to do about all of it? We are going to have some ice cream. Me vanila, Casper chocolate. (Dog lovers, don't worry. Casper once ate a 16 oz. chocolate Easter Bunny to no ill effect. A little chocolate ice cream won't even make him burp.) Maybe Casper can shit on the lawn rather than in your bed. That would make him a better President than Biden.
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Oct 7, 2023 21:06:13 GMT -5
Post by Village Idiot on Oct 7, 2023 21:06:13 GMT -5
That was a pleasant comment, Aqua.
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Oct 7, 2023 21:14:25 GMT -5
Post by aquaduct on Oct 7, 2023 21:14:25 GMT -5
That was a pleasant comment, Aqua. But accurate.
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Post by epaul on Oct 7, 2023 21:45:55 GMT -5
Political creatures politicize. That's what they do. Seek for advantage, search for blame. Seek, search, make up. Doesn't matter.
Truth is, Israel and Hamas have their own agendas. Follow their own plans for their own reasons that have nothing to do with us.
But, what actually is over there doesn't matter to our politcals. Only their Game matters. Insert their favorite friend when things go good over there and jam in their favorite enemy when things go bad. President X paid too much attention to this! President Y paid too little attention to that! IT's HIS FAULT. NO, IT'S HIS FAULT.
We've all lived long enough to know this shit. We've seen forty, fifty, sixty years of it.
Did Hamas do this to sabotage the possible maybe weak ass accord the Saudis were getting close to maybe possibly signing with Israel? Turn it on its head. If you want to sabotage a deal and screw with the Saudis, even better to wait and let the Saudis sign a deal with Israel and THEN start an Israeli/Palestinian blood bath and put the screws to the Saudis and the doomed deal they just signed and watch them squirm. The Saudis have to condemn Israel and blow up the deal and show their ass to the Arab world... or they stay with the deal and side by their actions with Israel...and show their ass to the Arab world... and add fuel to the growing anti-Royal sentiment in the fractious ready to blow Arab world... and serve Hamas' grand plans.
But, all that is us thinking we know what's going on over there and have all this influence in what those crazy bastards are up to. Hamas has their agenda. We are not consulted. Israel has its agenda. We are not consulted. We are used. we are ignored. But we are not consulted.
But, regardless of anything that actually is, our political bullshit artists are busy spin, spin, spinning away claiming all credit for themselves and casting all blame on their foes.
We've seen this shit. We know this shit. And we know who's dealing it.
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Oct 7, 2023 22:40:03 GMT -5
Post by epaul on Oct 7, 2023 22:40:03 GMT -5
There has to be a political solution to the Israelis/Palestinian conflict.
I've heard that my entire life. We all have. There has to be a political solution.
I have heard every candidate for president, one after another, say there has to be a political solution and they have this idea that will lead to one. I have seen every president in my life attempt some kind of political solution and then get immediate blame or praise, and then, down the road, get nothing at all resolved whatsoever for whatever it was they got praise or blame for at the time. Nothing.
70 plus years of politics. Maybe more. Nothing. No political solution. Just political problems. And continued crap.
If there is ever to be a political solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, it sure the hell won't come from us. We have no political solutions for the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. 70 years of our political solutions has proven that. If there is a political solution, its not coming from us, it has to come, has to, from the Israelis and Palestinians.
Or the Vulcans.
But, yeah, this is Biden's fault. And my cat's.
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Oct 7, 2023 22:43:49 GMT -5
Post by epaul on Oct 7, 2023 22:43:49 GMT -5
Oh, and this forum's fault. Well, only you liberal types. So what the hell you going to do about it! Huh? Huh? Huh?
Huh? Huh?
Huh!!!
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Oct 8, 2023 6:57:23 GMT -5
Post by millring on Oct 8, 2023 6:57:23 GMT -5
Israel will always be a mystery to me. I don't think I'll ever completely understand why the US divided as it did over Israel. I've read about the divide all my life. I do think there's a religious component to it that can't be denied or underestimated, but it doesn't completely answer it. Nothing answers why the divide is both total and reflexive.
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Oct 8, 2023 6:59:11 GMT -5
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Post by theevan on Oct 8, 2023 6:59:11 GMT -5
Welp, Hezbollah is now in the game. Starting to feel Iran-ish.
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Oct 8, 2023 8:06:16 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Oct 8, 2023 8:06:16 GMT -5
Welp, Hezbollah is now in the game. Starting to feel Iran-ish. Well, there's a shocker. Who's next? Maybe some Russians? Guess we should fire up the old duck and cover drills in our schools again.
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Post by james on Oct 8, 2023 10:50:01 GMT -5
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Oct 8, 2023 11:20:45 GMT -5
Post by Cornflake on Oct 8, 2023 11:20:45 GMT -5
That's right on, James.
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Post by AlanC on Oct 8, 2023 11:55:39 GMT -5
What if, just for a while, we could go inside ourselves and imagine a world that was free of hatred and prejudice and revenge and war. Hold that vision in your mind for a while and imagine how good that would feel. It might seem so impossible and so pie-in-the-sky that it wouldn't be even worth the few minutes it would take up in your busy life.
But I don't believe it's a waste of time. I believe it's closer than we think and not only that; it's inevitable. We are not going to destroy ourselves. The collective consciousness of humanity is growing weary of war and conflict. When the tipping point is reached, it will happen.
We CAN recognize the spark of divinity in each other and let all the other stuff go. It's going to happen. We got this.
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