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Post by millring on Oct 15, 2023 20:57:04 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Oct 15, 2023 21:16:18 GMT -5
Hmmmm..... Kaki King #210 Eric Johnson #205 Vince Gill #202 That was about all I needed to know.
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Post by John B on Oct 15, 2023 21:56:37 GMT -5
They may call it a ranked list (after all, Jimi is #1) but I view it as a list of 250 really good guitarists, some of which I've heard of, some of which I haven't. A good list for suggested listening. I did go through the whole list on Friday during my lunch break.
Also, a list designed to piss people off. I couldn't list the 20 best of anything, much less 10 best.
And Eric Johnson should be higher. Peter, I understand that you think Kaki should be much, much higher, but votes are votes.
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Post by Russell Letson on Oct 15, 2023 22:18:33 GMT -5
Ranking aside (vile practice, ranking*), I'm struck by the how little the list overlaps with my guitar-recordings library. The jazz and classical categories in particular are very thin.
BTW, their copy-editing sucks, too.
* In what universe does Django (#50) rank below Robbie Robertson, let alone any punk, grunge, or metal player?
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Post by Dub on Oct 15, 2023 23:55:51 GMT -5
Ha!
That list has nothing to do with being an accomplished guitarist. It’s just a list of people the Rolling Stone editors may have heard mentioned somewhere. The ranking has nothing to do with their ability on the guitar.
The Kurt Cobain article is indicative.
Boy, you can say that again.
As iconic as Elizabeth Cotten is and as much as I love her music, admire her and what she stood for, she is not one of the 250 greatest guitarists of all time.
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Post by aquaduct on Oct 16, 2023 4:27:43 GMT -5
They may call it a ranked list (after all, Jimi is #1) but I view it as a list of 250 really good guitarists, some of which I've heard of, some of which I haven't. A good list for suggested listening. I did go through the whole list on Friday during my lunch break. Also, a list designed to piss people off. I couldn't list the 20 best of anything, much less 10 best. And Eric Johnson should be higher. Peter, I understand that you think Kaki should be much, much higher, but votes are votes. No sir, I have a hard time figuring out why Kaki, whoever she is, is even in the list, much less near Vince and Eric.
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Post by John B on Oct 16, 2023 4:53:42 GMT -5
I was kind of teasing, as I thought you might have been around the AG forums when she broke on the scene in the early 2000s and her dad was a big booster of hers there. In my lifetime I have owned as many Kaki King albums as I have owned Eric Johnson albums, which is more than the total number of Vince Gill albums I have owned.
But then again, listing the top 250 of anything subjective is like when my son used to ask what my fifth-favorite dinosaur was. Let me figure out my top two or three, and we can probably end the list at that.
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Post by millring on Oct 16, 2023 5:16:33 GMT -5
The more interesting, possibly less subjective list would be "most important" guitarists. Who brought something different to the instrument that changed the guitar world forever?
In that kind of list an Elizabeth Cotten would fit right in. And Django would be near the top. And the discussion would be around things like "how big was the impact?" and "what was their source or inspiration?"
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Post by aquaduct on Oct 16, 2023 7:33:34 GMT -5
I was kind of teasing, as I thought you might have been around the AG forums when she broke on the scene in the early 2000s and her dad was a big booster of hers there. In my lifetime I have owned as many Kaki King albums as I have owned Eric Johnson albums, which is more than the total number of Vince Gill albums I have owned. But then again, listing the top 250 of anything subjective is like when my son used to ask what my fifth-favorite dinosaur was. Let me figure out my top two or three, and we can probably end the list at that. Oh I remember her time as a focus of gentle ridicule around here. The only reason to remember her at all. Other than the alliterative name anyways.
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Post by Marty on Oct 16, 2023 8:56:03 GMT -5
I didn't read the whole list but of what I did read I would say it would have been better titled "250 Most Influential Guitarists".
I bet John Shacklett, Earl Kluge or Phil Upchurch weren't even on the list. Yet they played right next to Wes Montgomery.
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Post by Marshall on Oct 16, 2023 9:11:30 GMT -5
Any list without Hammond on it has to be baloney.
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Post by dradtke on Oct 16, 2023 9:14:30 GMT -5
The more interesting, possibly less subjective list would be "most important" guitarists. Who brought something different to the instrument that changed the guitar world forever? In that kind of list an Elizabeth Cotten would fit right in. And Django would be near the top. And the discussion would be around things like "how big was the impact?" and "what was their source or inspiration?" Esteban did something different to the instrument that changed the guitar world.
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Oct 16, 2023 14:36:44 GMT -5
I did not keep careful count, but I had heard of about 25 of them. That did not include Garry "Diaper Man" Shider.
If Andrés Segovia had practiced a little more he might have made the list.
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Post by RickW on Oct 18, 2023 12:56:28 GMT -5
Any “top X” list has only one reason to be, to make people argue and go click on the link. Whether they’re angry or happy, the click is what’s craved. Because it really is a meaningless execise.
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Post by epaul on Oct 18, 2023 13:16:58 GMT -5
Not if you rotate fingers and change the angle of attack intermittently to promote flexibility.
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Post by t-bob on Oct 18, 2023 13:19:52 GMT -5
I didn't read the whole list - The Romero Brothers & the generations Known to millions as “The Royal Family of the Guitar,” the Romeros were founded by the legendary Celedonio Romero with his sons Celin, Pepe and Angel in 1958. The Quartet went through natural transformations, and today consists of the second (Celin & Pepe) and third generations (Lito & Celino).
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Post by John B on Oct 26, 2023 8:07:29 GMT -5
Rick's a little exercised.
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