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Post by james on Mar 15, 2024 10:27:47 GMT -5
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Post by coachdoc on Mar 16, 2024 11:38:56 GMT -5
Coach, the only reason Millring is saying Biden is the most popularly elected president in history is because, as he has repeatedly claimed and believes, the only way Biden could be in that "top" position is because the election was stolen and all those Biden votes are tainted by fraud. That is a faith-based claim, a faith-based belief. I don't think that is what you meant to "like". There is no rational reason to hold that the only way Biden could have gotten more votes than Obama was due to a fraudulent stolen election. An increase in the voting population of 37 million rationally accounts for the fact that there were more votes cast in 2020 than there were in 2008. But, Millring is deep in the stolen election conspiracy and is party to the screwy twists, fictions, and desperate distortions and maneuverings that fuel that damaging nonsense. Oh.
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Post by coachdoc on Mar 16, 2024 11:41:58 GMT -5
What I like is that Biden has a reasonable amount of support and on the whole doesn’t seem to provoke much heated position. A true politician.
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Post by epaul on Mar 16, 2024 12:11:49 GMT -5
There is no rational reason to hold that the only way Biden could have gotten more votes than Obama was due to a fraudulent stolen election. An increase in the voting population of 37 million rationally accounts for the fact that there were more votes cast in 2020 than there were in 2008. Well, that plus a record high turnout of 66.7%... and a whole bunch of Republicans voting twice. (hey, they get to make up shit. I got as much proof as they do)
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Post by millring on Mar 16, 2024 12:50:53 GMT -5
The total votes counted adds up to 93%-94% of voter registrations.
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Post by epaul on Mar 16, 2024 13:08:37 GMT -5
All those Republicans voting twice makes up the difference, and more.
(I found the proof of those extra votes on youtube, proof every Secretary of State, of every single state regardless of party, missed... missed despite checking the numbers twice, recounting twice, and then recounting the recount. Sloppy buggers. They should have just gone to youtube. )
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Post by millring on Mar 16, 2024 13:34:04 GMT -5
The discussion has gone off the rails into details that don't matter. What I've been saying all along is that whether the election of 2020 was rescued or real, it wasn't that close. And the same two guys are at it again this year. And I think you'd almost have to believe that 2020 was rescued to believe that Trump has any chance this year.
It's only people who believe that Trump got enough votes in 2020 who believe he could win this year
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Post by John B on Mar 16, 2024 14:04:09 GMT -5
The discussion has gone off the rails into details that don't matter. What I've been saying all along is that whether the election of 2020 was rescued or real, it wasn't that close. And the same two guys are at it again this year. And I think you'd almost have to believe that 2020 was rescued to believe that Trump has any chance this year. It's only people who believe that Trump got enough votes in 2020 who believe he could win this year Nah. I believe he could win because (1) there is a core group of people who will vote for him regardless of anything (recall the quote attributed to 45 that he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and still get elected), (2) there are people who will vote against Pres. Biden regardless of anything and (3) there are people willing to vote for a 3rd party candidate as a protest vote against having these two people again as the two viable choices, and those people would probably be Biden voters rather than Trump voters otherwise, and (4) I can't predict how new voters will vote ("why doesn't everyone vote like me?" I ask myself every election). And seriously, these two guys again? I would gladly write in Haley.
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Post by millring on Mar 16, 2024 15:08:50 GMT -5
And seriously, these two guys again? I would gladly write in Haley. It's very hard for me to take this election seriously. In fact, I guess I don't. I won't be voting.
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Post by james on Mar 16, 2024 16:07:14 GMT -5
Prolly just me but I don't understand what is meant by a "rescued election".
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Post by epaul on Mar 16, 2024 17:04:38 GMT -5
Sometimes elections get lost in the mountains or get stuck in the snow, then they need to be rescued. As elections don't often go hiking or drive cars, the term is usually a confusing metaphor. But, sometimes they really do. Anyway, once they are rescued, however so they are, they are then referred to "a rescued election".
We have had seven rescued elections. Four were metaphors, three needed a tow truck, and one a helicopter. Wait, that's eight rescued elections.
Montana once lost an election during the great November blizzard of 1883. And Iowa misplaced one in 1903 for reasons no one ever understood, just carelessness, I guess. Those were "un-rescued elections". Fortunately, the un-rescued ones are quite rare.
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Post by james on Mar 16, 2024 17:53:47 GMT -5
Si claro!
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Post by John B on Mar 16, 2024 18:35:14 GMT -5
And seriously, these two guys again? I would gladly write in Haley. It's very hard for me to take this election seriously. In fact, I guess I don't. I won't be voting. Dibs on your vote. I am totally kidding about this. I have only cast my own vote since the first time I was eligible to vote, and I will continue to only cast my vote in all future elections, and only if it is legal to do so.
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Post by Cornflake on Mar 16, 2024 20:15:27 GMT -5
I don't think it's an awful choice. I have a problem with Biden's age and I don't think he's done a good job on immigration. Other than that, I think he's been a surprisingly good president.
I'll be surprised if Biden doesn't win the popular vote but he could still lose the electoral college. My own swing state may well go to Trump because of the immigration issue. I'll stay tuned.
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