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Post by brucemacneill on Jan 25, 2024 7:55:38 GMT -5
The landscape would be a lot different today if Robert Kennedy hadn't been assassinated by the Republicans. Never heard that one before. Just read en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirhan_Sirhan and there's no mention of Republicans.
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 25, 2024 8:43:24 GMT -5
Peter: First, I take "Trump did too" to refer to the remark that "Hillary Clinton accepted defeat." And since Trump continues to claim that the election was "rigged," I stand by my post. Second, if you want your claims about the 2020 election results taken seriously, you need to point to the evidence--to specify which six districts were the unexamined but crucial ones; and you need to provide links or references that will allow that claim to be examined. I have Googled around and have yet to find that particular argument. If it's that specific, I would think that it would show up in a coherent, focused form somewhere. It also suggests a high degree of leverage--six districts tipping the Electoral College results. I suppose it's numerically possible, but I would also suppose that someone would have noticed it by now. Certainly Trump's EC win (and popular-vote loss) was the result of leverage, as he won crucial states. Well, it was 3 years ago. But let's see if I can put it back together. 1. Maricopa County, Arizona. Basically Phoenix. Now to be completely fair, an audit there was started but shutdown before it finished. Again, perpetuating the appearance of fraud. 2. Dekalb County, Georgia. Basically Atlanta. I think Stacey Abrams still thinks she's the Governor there. 'Nuff said. 3. Wayne County, Michigan. Basically Detroit where I grew up. And also where that dipwad Governor cooked up that wacky plot to have her kidnapped, aided by the FBI. 4. Philadelphia. 'Nuff said. Then the last two were I think in Minnesota and Wisconsin. Maybe Minneapolis. Just can't remember. You should be able to find it online unless, of course, that information has been vanished by government operatives. Now, like it or not and agree with it or not, these are your people. You can't possibly expect Trump supporters to buy a single word you or any other leftist says given that. And there you go. Just like the pandemic. Just like global warming. Just like everything else that's ever brought up here. Half the country (conveniently for you, the stupid redneck half) isn't buying a word you say.
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Post by james on Jan 25, 2024 12:52:36 GMT -5
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Post by Russell Letson on Jan 25, 2024 13:18:25 GMT -5
Results of a quick Google tour:
Maricopa County: No evidence--except of the former state AG concealing investigation results contrary to conspiracy theories.
Georgia: Performed an audit and recount and found no changes in the outcome.
Michigan: A GOP-dominated state Senate committee report "found no evidence of widespread or systematic fraud in Michigan’s prosecution of the 2020 election." Though they did insist on the familiar set of "solutions" regarding absentee voting and ballot drop-boxes.
Philadelphia: "'Nuff said" strikes me as a pretty slim clue, but my quick trawl brought up the conviction of Ozzie Meyers for diddling with 2014-18 elections and the usual debunked Trumpian Twitter posts.
Minneapolis: A Project Veritas video full of unsupported claims, mostly based on accusations from the "Somali Watchdog Group," which appears to be one guy with a website. (USA Today and Snopes both have detailed examinations of the Project Veritas claims.)
To be fair, in my own part of the state, four Stearns County felons registered to vote while their voting rights were still unrestored, and one person was accoused of voting twice (once absentee and once in person). Not what I would call either organized or result-changing in a county that went 60% for Trump.
Gotta go now--I have a date to play guitar with a Benedictine monk.
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Post by TKennedy on Jan 25, 2024 17:34:43 GMT -5
Say hi to him for me. Did you see the pristine Hoffman someone donated to St John’s and it languished in a closet or something for a couple of years? It’s in my shop right now.
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 25, 2024 18:12:38 GMT -5
Results of a quick Google tour: Maricopa County: No evidence--except of the former state AG concealing investigation results contrary to conspiracy theories. Georgia: Performed an audit and recount and found no changes in the outcome. Michigan: A GOP-dominated state Senate committee report "found no evidence of widespread or systematic fraud in Michigan’s prosecution of the 2020 election." Though they did insist on the familiar set of "solutions" regarding absentee voting and ballot drop-boxes. Philadelphia: "'Nuff said" strikes me as a pretty slim clue, but my quick trawl brought up the conviction of Ozzie Meyers for diddling with 2014-18 elections and the usual debunked Trumpian Twitter posts. Minneapolis: A Project Veritas video full of unsupported claims, mostly based on accusations from the "Somali Watchdog Group," which appears to be one guy with a website. (USA Today and Snopes both have detailed examinations of the Project Veritas claims.) To be fair, in my own part of the state, four Stearns County felons registered to vote while their voting rights were still unrestored, and one person was accoused of voting twice (once absentee and once in person). Not what I would call either organized or result-changing in a county that went 60% for Trump. Gotta go now--I have a date to play guitar with a Benedictine monk. Interesting, and assuming the data used for those analysis (analysees?) is available to any dumb hick redneck you'd think Democrats would have been touting that all across the country instead of just calling Trump supporters dumb names and dismissing their ability to think as well as all the well-to-do intellectuals this could have been solved promptly 3 damn years ago. Now if you can only figure out how to halt Biden's ban on new internal combustion engines starting to be phased in in 2027 and be complete by 2035, you just might put Trump out of the political business.
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Post by Dub on Jan 25, 2024 18:20:52 GMT -5
Now if you can only figure out how to halt Biden's ban on new internal combustion engines starting to be phased in in 2027 and be complete by 2035, you just might put Trump out of the political business. No worries. That plan will fall of its own weight.
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Post by Russell Letson on Jan 25, 2024 18:22:08 GMT -5
Peter, I spent maybe a half-hour Googling those stories up--they're right out there in front of God and everybody--and another half-hour assembling the post. I can see that it was time wasted. But then, I knew that it would be, not because anyone here is a dumb hick redneck, but because, as the Church informed me decades ago, there is such a thing as invincible ignorance.
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 25, 2024 18:27:24 GMT -5
Now if you can only figure out how to halt Biden's ban on new internal combustion engines starting to be phased in in 2027 and be complete by 2035, you just might put Trump out of the political business. No worries. That plan will fall of its own weight. We all better hope so. But that's not the EPA I've come to know and love.
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Post by james on Jan 25, 2024 18:56:32 GMT -5
The phasing out of ICEs is in no way a uniquely American process. It has a comparable, inexorable and inevitable momentum legislatively worldwide.
<Analyses>
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Post by Russell Letson on Jan 25, 2024 19:08:39 GMT -5
Terry--John told me about the languishing Hoffman, but I haven't seen it. I do, however, have John's Hoffman parlor on loan while he has my Marin Montero classical to play. Charlie sure made a nice guitar.
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Post by billhammond on Jan 25, 2024 19:19:01 GMT -5
Terry--John told me about the languishing Hoffman, but I haven't seen it. I do, however, have John's Hoffman parlor on loan while he has my Marin Montero classical to play. Charlie sure made a nice guitar. I've never seen a Hoffman parlor, sounds interesting. I played quite a few Hoffmans at Podium back in the day, and the only beef I had with them was that many had heavy headstocks, so the guitar would not balance on the knee. Seems to me that Marty said they're built like tanks, so maybe there was armor plate in the headstocks.
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Post by Cornflake on Jan 25, 2024 19:36:47 GMT -5
"The phasing out of ICEs is in no way a uniquely American process."
What's an ICE?
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 25, 2024 19:44:43 GMT -5
"The phasing out of ICEs is in no way a uniquely American process." What's an ICE? Common abbreviation for Internal Combustion Engine.
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 25, 2024 19:50:25 GMT -5
The phasing out of ICEs is in no way a uniquely American process. It has a comparable, inexorable and inevitable momentum legislatively worldwide. <Analyses> My mom always used to ask me, "If everyone was jumping off a cliff, would you too?" Yes, the western world has seemingly come down with a major case of the stupid. Hopefully June breaks that idiotic mass psychosis in this country. Then we'll see how legitimate this inevitable legislative momentum really is.
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Post by james on Jan 25, 2024 20:12:03 GMT -5
UK, EU, China, India etc. etc.
There will be bumps in the road.
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Post by epaul on Jan 25, 2024 20:42:54 GMT -5
My expectation is the "all EV by 2035" will be substantially modified well before it is supposed to go into effect. It's just a "feel-good" deal purposely put out far enough in future to allow time for the changes and modifications that will prove to be necessary. The "all EV by 2035" is, however, a clear signal to the industry, one of many. And the industry is responding.
And so are consumers. Not to pure EVs. But consumers are responding to various forms of hybrid gas/battery cars. And they are doing so willingly (as I will be pretty soon). And they are responding, not for the reasons Green advocates might have hoped for. Buyers are moving to hybrids because they are so much peppier and fun to drive.
I just finished test driving a couple Hyundai Tucsons, and the gas-only model was a complete dog (8.8 seconds 0-60 per Car and Driver) And it felt even slower. And the engine had to work noisily just to be slow. The Hybrid, on the other hand, was a blast to drive. (7.1 0-60 per Car and Driver) and it felt even faster. The torque came so easily and quietly, it was zoom zoom zoom. No contest.
You can read and watch reviews of every car out there, and if there is a hybrid version, every review says that is the one to get. Not for mileage, but for the clearly superior performance.
Caveat, it wouldn't have to be so. Manufactures are putting underpowered little engines in their mainstream vehicles in order to reach mileage specs (stupid little turbo-charged 3 and 4 cylinders you need to rev to high heaven), but that's the way it is. If you want good performance in an "everyman" sort of vehicle, it's going to have a electric motor in it as well as a gas-powered one. So, in one form or another, batteries are coming. Gas might not go away, but electrics are definitely coming and they will take a progressively heavier portion of the load.
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 25, 2024 20:47:19 GMT -5
UK, EU, China, India etc. etc. There will be bumps in the road. The reference to Wikipedia is a real convincer. Car makers in this country (still nominally a free country) know, and have seen for themselves, the inherent and fatal technical weakness of EVs compared to ICE that makes them appropriate for very limited usages. Like driving to work with only yourself and a briefcase in the car. And the IPCCs real recent dressing down at the hand of countries whose economies are largely based on fossil fuels demonstrate the political weakness of their overblown "accord"- currently masquerading as a "treaty" to the clueless- and should be a hint that third world vehicle manufacturers that have never been able to meet American safety or emissions standards to be certified to sell in the US still really aren't in any position to compete here. All that's needed is for EPA to lose their ill gotten ability to regulate CO2, which the fall of Chevron should do, and there's no longer a leg to stand on to mandate EVs. And at that point, if the whole rest of the world insists on shooting itself in the foot- have at it.
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Post by james on Jan 25, 2024 20:49:59 GMT -5
Why do you hate America epaul?
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Post by epaul on Jan 25, 2024 21:03:37 GMT -5
I don't expect the current batch of hybrids will be around all that long. While fun to drive, for many, they really don't offer much better gas mileage than the gas-only versions. (the mileage actual users are getting is all over the place, depending on how they drive and the situations they drive in). The ticket for the near future, and it will be big ticket, will be the new plug-in hybrids that are starting to come out (PHEVs). My guess is that come 2035, most of the cars sold will be plug-in hybrids.
5.6 seconds 0-60! 40-plus miles on battery alone. And a gas engine on board for whenever and however long you need it. That is the current Toyota Rav4 Prime. Wow! Give the industry five years to tweak and improve, and there should be a good supply of plug-in electrics that can go 60 miles on a charge with a gas engine to cover all those awkward situations that EV only drivers have to face. (for many, the EV part of the car may cover 90% of their use)
Unlike the modest fuel economy gains hybrids offer in real world driving, plug-in electrics should make all but the greenest of Greens happy. And they cover all the shortfalls EVs currently, and for the near future, face. My bet is they are a bridge between gas and EV, and that it will be a long, long bridge.
My guess, come 2040, 20% of cars on the road will be gas powered. 40% will be plug-in hybrids. And 20% will be EVs. Maybe the plug-in hybrids and EVs will split the market, 30-30. EVs will be a perfect fit for more affluent city dwellers. Marshall will have one, for sure.
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