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Post by TDR on Nov 26, 2008 13:59:46 GMT -5
Remember how the derision poured down like rain when I've posted over the last few weeks how Obama's sycophantic supporters can't not be disappointed by the reality of his administration? That's what. Some folks will object to the sycophantic part. But ignoring the sleight, I think you have a point there, Omaha. A hell of a lot of expectations are riding on the *change* promises. Not everyone can possibly get everything they hoped for. We may have to adjust our expectations at some point. McCain might have been mercurial, not to mention such a hero for having been imprisoned all that time. But I'll take Obama's sober pragmatism over that any day.
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Post by dradtke on Nov 26, 2008 14:02:24 GMT -5
Seriously, I'm curious. Who are these Far Left groups? No jokes. Nancy Pelosi is as far left as my mother. Just because she comes from San Francisco? I have a cousin who lives in San Francisco who married a Chinese woman. Is that Far Left? All the gay people I know live in St Paul. Who are these Far Left people? Seriously, I want to know.
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Post by Supertramp78 on Nov 26, 2008 14:16:32 GMT -5
'retired Marine Gen. James Jones will take over as national security adviser'
interesting guy
Jones was asked twice by Condoleezza Rice to be Deputy Secretary of State after the resignation of Robert Zoellick. He declined.
the former Supreme Allied Commander, Europe (SACEUR) (2003-2006) and the Commander of the United States European Command (COMUSEUCOM) (2003-2006); and served as the 32nd Commandant of the Marine Corps (July 1999-January 2003). Jones retired from the United States Marine Corps on February 1, 2007 after 40 years of service.
In 2007, Jones served as Chairman of the Congressional Independent Commission on the Security Forces of Iraq, which investigated the capabilities of the Iraqi police and armed forces. In November 2007, he was appointed by the United States Secretary of State as special envoy for Middle East Security.
He is currently the Chairman of the Atlantic Council of the United States.
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Post by dradtke on Nov 26, 2008 14:17:46 GMT -5
Referring to Nancy Pelosi:
Check the dates. 2005 and 2006.
OMFG!!
Pretty damn mild posts, if you ask me. But if she posted those same letters in the Minneapolis Star and Tribune (known to local conservatives as the RED Star and Tribune, obviously a leftist commie pinko newspaper (don't tell Hammond, he don't know)) well, obviously, I don't know what to say. I'm even having a hard time coming up with snark, which is sort of embarrassing. "the Iraq war has been a grotesque mistake"..."and the end is not is sight"...
Three years ago. Fucking Communist.
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Post by dradtke on Nov 26, 2008 14:18:16 GMT -5
But it was on the DailyKos. So there.
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Post by omaha on Nov 26, 2008 14:18:36 GMT -5
Who are these Far Left people? Seriously, I want to know. DailyKos Moveon.org
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Post by Supertramp78 on Nov 26, 2008 14:24:55 GMT -5
![](http://www.brainygamer.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/14/oz_scarecrow_1.jpg) "Hold on. I'm getting a call from George Soros."
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Post by epaul on Nov 26, 2008 14:26:13 GMT -5
I don't know what the Kos or Moveon is saying. But I do know what Rush and Hannity are saying.
Yesterday, Hannity proclaimed the current economIc doldrums to be "THE OBAMA RECESSION", likely to give way to the "GREAT OBAMA DEPRESSION". Hannity’s reasoning? It was crystal clear to Wall Street a year ago that Obama was going to be elected president, so they decided to go ahead and start the recession early since they knew it was going to come anyway with his presidency.
That makes sense, in a far right way.
More far right sense from Hannity. Hannity said that if Obama wanted to stop his recession, his first move should be to immediately cut the capital gains tax. ? Given the current market holdings of most folks, I am not sure that the capital gains rate is their foremost worry or preferred cure. But, oh well, carry on Hannity.
As for Rush, his only interest nowadays is setting up the Conservative Underground with him in charge of the troops. Every move of Obama’s is described as shady, deceitful, cowardly, and fraught with danger from a backlash by the sycophantic radical libs that put the DIVENE ONE in power. Just yesterday, (yes, it was world weather day on the Ag Network), Rush chastised a caller for revealing his (the caller's) first name during a call in. Rush told the the caller that by using his first name he was putting himself in danger of being hunted down by the “Obama Police”, just as poor Joe Plumber was. Rush then issued a general warning to his listening audience. “Do not, repeat do not, listeners, use your first name when you call this show. They are listening and you might be hunted down and stripped bare like Joe the Plumber. Use a made up first name. Do not risk crossing the Obama police .....(five more minutes of the same, over and over).
I would assume, normally, that Rush was joking. He had to be. But I waited, and there was no indication by inflection or nod. If he was, I know, absolutely, that he has many listeners, one of my aunts among them, who take his each and every word very, very seriously.
Rush also continues to insist that Obama has promised to tax any income over $120,000 out of existence because of a one-time Biden blooper during the long campaign trail. (62-year-old men aren’t meant to campaign 16 hours a day, six days a week. They need naps and break times. But, regardless America, beware, this socialist must be stopped before he takes away your freedom.
Anyway, I expect anyone who listens regularly to Rush would have a difficult time of viewing anything Obama does without a poisoned jaundice coloring every move, courtesy of Rush Vision Incorporated. That is just what Rush does, over, and over, and over, and over, and overandoverandoverandoverandoverdayafterdayafterdayafterdayoverandoverandovereviloneeviloneeviloneevilonesendmoneysendmoneysendmoneysendmoneytomemememememememememememememememememememememememememememe.
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Post by majorminor on Nov 26, 2008 14:28:12 GMT -5
I love this quote. The perfect politico speak paragraph. What exactly are troops doing over there that doesn't involve protecting US bases and civilians and engaging terrorists? Anyway, I hope he draws the troop levels down and I suspect he will but that is a strange paragraph.
Regarding Obama's appointments thus far - starting to look a lot like Clinton III except for the fact that Obama probably sleeps with his wife.
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Post by TDR on Nov 26, 2008 14:41:17 GMT -5
Well, he might get them out in 16 months, but only thanks to the surge that McCain rammed down Bush and Rumsfeld's collective throats and which gave us the victory Obama was so willing to sacrifice. Sorry, Omaha. I'd rather not be replying to this drivel, but you can't keep spewing it and not have someone call bull$h!t on it. McCain was not single handedly responsible for the surge, nor could he ram it down anyone's throat. He was a cheerleader for it at best, and shamelessly took false credit for its efficaciousness. True, there was debate about it. Reportedly Ms Rice cautioned that there was a fair chance it wouldn't work and then they'd be out of options. She was right, it was an imprudent gamble. Rumsfeld, having argued for the lean and mean approach reportedly had misgivings too. But go ahead and show us the backup for how McCain made it happen. The other bogus thing there is that the surge gave us a victory. There's no victory, just a colossal cluster fcuk. We don't have go to into the list here. What Bush has left is not glory but a big expensive mess to be cleaned up. And if you want to read up on it, the "surge", which was a commitment of additional troops, is not what is responsible for the improvement on the ground. Attacks are down because we are paying people not to attacks us. The Sadrists backed off for a combination of reasons that included more political clout and other carrot/stick negotiations. The Maliki government was allowed some teeth to give it credibility. Intel which allowed us to move on resistance elements finally paid off. There's a long list of factors and I don't pretend to know them all. But the notion that it was "the surge" that turned loss to victory is nonsense propaganda. You can look it up. So Obama was willing to 'sacrifice' victory. Funny, I never heard him say that. What I heard Obama say was that our forces are getting chewed up in Iraq at an unsustainable rate. He got that directly from the commanders on the ground. And he and they acknowledged we were going to have to withdraw or scale back at some point no matter what. So better to make a plan to do that before rather than after we have totally spent our wad. Most folks will see that as common sense. If Charles Krauthammer wants to spin it as 'sacrificing victory', well heck, how much stock are you gonna put in what a far right fringe sycophant like him says? Thankfully, most of us aren't that gullible.
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Post by Cornflake on Nov 26, 2008 14:48:30 GMT -5
Epaul, if that's really what Limbaugh is saying, it would be funny if it weren't scary. That's the kind of garbage that can convince some loony to become an assassin.
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Post by omaha on Nov 26, 2008 14:55:28 GMT -5
Oh, please.
We've heard every conceivable vile, hateful, mean-spirited thing possible being said about GWB over the last few years. Show me one post of yours where, at the time, you lamented that such talk might give rise to an assassin.
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Post by billhammond on Nov 26, 2008 15:00:07 GMT -5
Oh, please. We've heard every conceivable vile, hateful, mean-spirited thing possible being said about GWB over the last few years. BUT IT WAS ALL TRUE!
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Post by Supertramp78 on Nov 26, 2008 15:01:40 GMT -5
Election of Obama provokes rise in U.S. hate crimes
ATLANTA (Reuters) - Barack Obama's election as U.S. president has provoked a rise in hate crimes against ethnic minorities, civil rights groups said on Monday.
Hundreds of incidents of abuse or intimidation apparently motivated by racial hatred have been reported since the November 4 election, though most have not involved violence, said the Southern Poverty Law Center.
White supremacist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and the Council of Conservative Citizens have seen a flood of interest from possible new members since the landmark election of the first black president in U.S. history.
Far right groups are also capitalizing on rising unemployment in the economic downturn and a demographic shift that could make whites a minority by mid-century, the Southern Poverty Law Center said.
"We have seen a fairly dramatic backlash over the last three or four weeks, since the final weeks of the campaign," said Mark Potok of the Center, based in Montgomery, Alabama which monitors far right groups.
"These (incidents) are merely gut level reactions from a lot of people," Potok said. "There is a substantial subset of white people in America who are boiling angry over this."
A family in New Jersey that supported Obama found a charred wooden cross on its lawn a few days after the election. Burning crosses were used by the KKK as a means of terrorizing African Americans.
On election night, two teenagers beat up a black man on Staten Island, New York, and cursed him with racial epithets and "Obama."
There have also been numerous incidents in schools of racial tension and name-calling connected to the election, particularly in Southern states, Potok said.
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Post by TDR on Nov 26, 2008 15:07:56 GMT -5
epaul said:
Sheesh. Where is that rolling head icon?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2008 15:38:25 GMT -5
Keep it up, Grand Old Party, keep it up. Go back to your "core principles" (you know, guns, God, and gays) and get crushed in the 2010 mid terms. And then nominate a candidate for president in 2012 like Sarah Palin who most of the country (outside the "base") considers totally incompetent. After that get someone to explain to you the rise and fall of the Whig Party.
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Post by dradtke on Nov 26, 2008 16:02:17 GMT -5
Who are these Far Left people? Seriously, I want to know. DailyKos Moveon.org Okay,obviously I came into this thread late, so a lot of my posts are a bit late. That's why I've got so many in a row, I'm trying to catch up. (And thanks, guys, for posting in between, ruining my chances to make Guinness...) Seriously, snark aside (and God knows how much I like snark. Chilibill is one of my favorites.) 1) Who is George Soros? He's a billionaire who made a ton of money on Wall Street, who favors left-ish issues. Just like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates. I'm still waiting for my Soros check for upholding leftist issues on the Soundhole, but I've about given up hope. (Okay, you got me, I didn't completely give up snark. But I'm trying...) He's not some bogey-man. He's a rich guy who gives money to causes he believes in. You want to stop it? Tell Richard Mellon Scaife to take his money and go home. 2) Moveon started during the Clinton impeachment. The idea was that blowjobs didn't matter a whole lot, and it was time to move on. (Snark here, skip over if it bothers you. If Laura blows George, does the economy get better and we get out of Iraq?) They raise money for Democrats, I get at least four emails a week from them asking for money, and I delete them all. 3)Have you ever read DailyKos? www.dailykos.com/ The comments I read about them, and the articles I read on that site, are like night and day. (But hey (butt hay?) anything that Bill F"king O'Reilly doesn't like is worth a second look.) Kos, (his name is Marcos, but rather than shorten it to Mark, he shortened it to Kos) is a Democrat. The site is about electing more and better Democrats. (Some Democrats, like Lieberman, are a little, just a little, more Republican.) That's really all it is. There are a lot of Republican websites that are devoted to electing more Republicans. (But you better watch out if you use the word fuck. That makes all the difference. Anybody who says fuck is obviously not ready to lead the country.) (What did Dick Cheney say to Senator Leahy?) Ducktrapper (and whatever happened to him? I miss Tom.) complained a lot about the "hate" on the DailyKos website. That pretty much came from comments that ordinary posters left on the site, just like all us ordinary posters comment about guitars on this site. I hate Taylors.) Have you ever read the comments left by ordinary posters on Free Republic? url]http://www.freerepublic.com[/url] (In the interest of full disclosure, one of my best friends from High School, a multi-millionaire, is an avid Freeper.) I don't see whole lot of difference between leftwing hate nuts and rightwing hatenuts that both have computers and can post things on the internets tubes. I tend to ignore the random posters and read what the columnists themselves have to say, and how the support their positions. So besides the profane insults to the other side, what is DailyKos about? A chance for left-leaning politically active types to chime in and discuss and contribute. No better, no worse than a whole lot of other political websites. (Except for the fact that you have to sacrifice your first-born to Satan, but we don' talk about that. O'Reilly is the only one who knows that, so don't tell anyone.) If DailyKos is as far left as we can get, there should be a whole lot of people breathing easier in this country. Replace Lieberman with Ned Lamont and the entire left side of the country goes away.
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Post by paulschlimm on Nov 26, 2008 17:52:39 GMT -5
Dratke,
Pelosi doesn't come from San Francisco. She is a good Baltimore girl. Her father and brother served as mayors of Baltimore. Her nephew was a classmate of mine in high school - he was a few years (two maybe?) behind me.
The above adds absolutely nothing to the on-going donnybrook. Back in the ring, gents!!
Paul
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Post by millring on Nov 26, 2008 18:03:30 GMT -5
This is all a little overboard. Tweak away at Omaha and Chilibill. They can take it. They wear undershorts of teflon and socks of kevlar. But it's downright dishonest to be claiming such innocence from enjoyment of leftwing flamethrowers among the left here.
Here's a challenge:
Count the number of threads that have been started as a group drool over links to something said by or on Maddow, Stewart, Maher, Huffington, the screamer (what's his name?...started as a sportscaster?). Lots, huh? During the campaign there were probably several per week, and yet you all claim ignorance of left wing flame-throwage. HA HA <<---I LOFF IN YOUR DIRECTION!!
Now count the number of threads wherein Limbaugh or Hannity were ever similarly used as thread starter (by a right winger saying "Hey, look at this!"). None, huh?
And yet, over and over come the patronizing, condescending comments about how those here on the right don't think for themselves, rather get all they know from Limbaugh, Hannity, and FOX.
Consider this my attempt at affirmative action bashing.
THERE! ..........take THAT!
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Post by paulschlimm on Nov 26, 2008 18:06:45 GMT -5
<fart> <general>
Correcting allusions to Monty Python across fifty states and several continents.
Carry on.
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