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Post by Chesapeake on May 12, 2011 14:17:22 GMT -5
...around the world." That's the reason police said moments ago in a press conference that one of the two men arrested in New York today gave for wanting to blow up a synagogue.
Guess IQ tests aren't mandatory for terrorists.
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Post by RickW on May 12, 2011 14:34:28 GMT -5
Right up there with the idiot who shot the Sikh in Texas after 9/11, because Arabs wear turbans.
Going to decide you hate something, make sure you know what you're hating.
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Post by brucemacneill on May 12, 2011 14:35:35 GMT -5
I'm fed up with the way Muslims are being treated too. We need more SEALs.
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Post by Greg B on May 12, 2011 15:10:07 GMT -5
[url=http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0507/Two-Muslims-bounced-from-Memphis-flight-despite-extra-screening ]A regional airlines bounced two Muslims off a plane[/url] even after they had gone through all the additional screening. Ironically, the two men were on their way to a conference on Islamophobia and anti-Muslim bias.
So somebody didn't like their looks and that was enough to kick them off of a plane after they've already passed the TSA screeners.
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Post by dradtke on May 12, 2011 15:14:58 GMT -5
Obviously the TSA screeners must be part of the conspiracy.
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Post by Doug on May 12, 2011 15:41:40 GMT -5
[url=http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0507/Two-Muslims-bounced-from-Memphis-flight-despite-extra-screening ]A regional airlines bounced two Muslims off a plane [/url] even after they had gone through all the additional screening. Ironically, the two men were on their way to a conference on Islamophobia and anti-Muslim bias. So somebody didn't like their looks and that was enough to kick them off of a plane after they've already passed the TSA screeners. [/quote] My understanding was it was the pilots and as pilots they don't have to explain if they don't want someone on their plane. That may not be true anymore with today's airplanes that fly themselves. But the pilot used to be the captain and the dictator of the ship (airship in this case).
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Post by Dub on May 12, 2011 16:13:58 GMT -5
I don't know how it is with other forumites but here in the Cedar Rapids & Iowa City area Muslims are taken for granted and given no more notice than any other ethnic or otherwise identifiable group. Cedar Rapids is home to the Mother Mosque of North America and boasts an Islamic Center and a sizable Muslim population. That in addition to the number of Christian Arabs in the area. Iowa City is home to a large university and boasts a diverse population of students and faculty. It's commonplace to interact with Muslim people every day. As far as I know, no one thinks much about it. There is a large Arab population in the Detroit area and around Toledo and many of those Arabs are Muslims. Do forumites from those areas (Aquaduct?) have other experiences with them? Do you know lots of people who are afraid of Muslims? - Dub
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Post by Chesapeake on May 12, 2011 16:20:07 GMT -5
[url=http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0507/Two-Muslims-bounced-from-Memphis-flight-despite-extra-screening ]A regional airlines bounced two Muslims off a plane [/url] even after they had gone through all the additional screening. Ironically, the two men were on their way to a conference on Islamophobia and anti-Muslim bias. So somebody didn't like their looks and that was enough to kick them off of a plane after they've already passed the TSA screeners. [/quote] Must have been Juan Williams.
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Post by patrick on May 12, 2011 16:20:20 GMT -5
Do you know lots of people who are afraid of Muslims? - Dub I'm afraid of people in Muslim garb. That's why I keep an eye on a young Pakistani guy in our office for what he wears. That's why I won't fly with anyone wearing an argyle sweater vest and dockers anymore. Life's just too dangerous without taking unnecessary risks.
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Post by Village Idiot on May 12, 2011 20:39:02 GMT -5
I don't know how it is with other forumites but here in the Cedar Rapids & Iowa City area Muslims are taken for granted and given no more notice than any other ethnic or otherwise identifiable group. Cedar Rapids is home to the Mother Mosque of North America and boasts an Islamic Center and a sizable Muslim population. That in addition to the number of Christian Arabs in the area. Iowa City is home to a large university and boasts a diverse population of students and faculty. It's commonplace to interact with Muslim people every day. As far as I know, no one thinks much about it. Right you are, Dub. Funny how in Iowa, at least this part, no one bats an eye at a hijab. The Islamic Center of which you speak has a really nice conference room, and we're considering using it for our next Low Vision Clinic.
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Post by Jawbone on May 12, 2011 20:48:50 GMT -5
Good luck getting a cab, Patrick.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 8:17:13 GMT -5
I'm fed up with the way Muslims are being treated too. We need more SEALs. I'm confused by this post. I'm Muslim, so are you saying that SEALs should hunt me down and kill me? I've never heard any Muslim I know advocate terrorism. I've never heard it advocated at the mosque. In fact, everything I've been taught and read speaks against the use of violence in all but very rare circumstances. The imams at the mosque speak out against violence. I'm guessing that is the personal experience of the VAST majority of the rest of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims. But I guess all that counts for nothing, and that because I'm Muslim, the SEALs should kill me. Glad we're clear on that. I'll leave my guitars to Hammond and Lonnie after the SEALs have done their work, but my mahogany dread should probably go back to MnHermit since he built it. That's provided the SEALs don't leave bullet holes in them.
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Post by Tamarack on May 13, 2011 8:47:33 GMT -5
I agree we need more seals. Pinniped populations have been declining throughout the world. They are important in managing fish populations and tourists like them. Besides that, baby seals are kinda cute.
Muslims are no more inclined to violence, in their religious teachings and normal life, than Christians, Jews, Rastafarians, or any other identifiable group of human beings.
I work a lot in the metro Detroit area, including Dearborn and Oakland County (northern prosperous suburbs). My clients include Arab and Pakistani Muslims and Arab Christians (Chaldeans) who are all honest business people and incredibly friendly. Unless some a$$hole like Terry Jones comes to town and shoots up his own car (this actually happened), business is conducted between all religions and ethnicities and everyone considers it normal.
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Post by mnhermit on May 13, 2011 9:02:19 GMT -5
Muslims are no more inclined to violence, in their religious teachings and normal life, than Christians, Jews, Rastafarians, or any other identifiable group of human beings. Somehow I can't picture a violent Rastafarian, even if it was part of the religious teaching I'd think the 'service' would mellow them right out. Which is one of the good things about worship through marijuana. I suppose one would have to leave out hashisham (assassins) from that generalization.
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Post by Chesapeake on May 13, 2011 9:09:35 GMT -5
Welcome dhanners. I join with Tamarack in his sentiments. It's too bad we always have to qualify our outbursts by stipulating that Muslims aren't inherently prone to violence, but maybe we should. I attended a Muslim wedding several years before 9-11 at which the iman spoke of the need for mutual understanding and tolerance among religious communities. What he said really resonates with me now.
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Post by brucemacneill on May 13, 2011 9:43:44 GMT -5
I'm fed up with the way Muslims are being treated too. We need more SEALs. I'm confused by this post. I'm Muslim, so are you saying that SEALs should hunt me down and kill me? I've never heard any Muslim I know advocate terrorism. I've never heard it advocated at the mosque. In fact, everything I've been taught and read speaks against the use of violence in all but very rare circumstances. The imams at the mosque speak out against violence. I'm guessing that is the personal experience of the VAST majority of the rest of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims. But I guess all that counts for nothing, and that because I'm Muslim, the SEALs should kill me. Glad we're clear on that. I'll leave my guitars to Hammond and Lonnie after the SEALs have done their work, but my mahogany dread should probably go back to MnHermit since he built it. That's provided the SEALs don't leave bullet holes in them. Let me apologize for the bad joke. It was in very bad taste. Muslims, IMHO, need a better PR department though. If it is a small group among you causing the problem then you should make sure the rest of us understand that you do not support them in the least. Meanwhile, nothing in the news is helping your side which makes it easy for us to make bad jokes. Please make it more difficult for me to have the thoughts that create the bad jokes. I know nothing of Islam past what I hear in the news and that isn't good for your position. I will attempt to not post the bad jokes.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 10:33:13 GMT -5
I'm confused by this post. I'm Muslim, so are you saying that SEALs should hunt me down and kill me? I've never heard any Muslim I know advocate terrorism. I've never heard it advocated at the mosque. In fact, everything I've been taught and read speaks against the use of violence in all but very rare circumstances. The imams at the mosque speak out against violence. I'm guessing that is the personal experience of the VAST majority of the rest of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims. But I guess all that counts for nothing, and that because I'm Muslim, the SEALs should kill me. Glad we're clear on that. I'll leave my guitars to Hammond and Lonnie after the SEALs have done their work, but my mahogany dread should probably go back to MnHermit since he built it. That's provided the SEALs don't leave bullet holes in them. Let me apologize for the bad joke. It was in very bad taste. Muslims, IMHO, need a better PR department though. If it is a small group among you causing the problem then you should make sure the rest of us understand that you do not support them in the least. Meanwhile, nothing in the news is helping your side which makes it easy for us to make bad jokes. Please make it more difficult for me to have the thoughts that create the bad jokes. I know nothing of Islam past what I hear in the news and that isn't good for your position. I will attempt to not post the bad jokes. I accept your qualified apoligy, but lemme see if I've got this straight.... You're unable to excercise better judgment and refrain from making "bad jokes" because Muslims "make it easy"? I guess we should excuse bank robbers because hey, banks make it easy. If you're gonna stick all that money in banks, then someone's gonna rob them, so it's actually kinda the bank's fault for having all that money there. Maybe bank robbers just need better PR.... And please educate me as to what did that made it easy? What did my wife do? Kids? I'd like to know since we apparently did something that made it easy to make bad jokes. Every major reputable Islamic group has denounced terrorism. They have done so repeatedly and unequivocally. It's just that some people and some in the media don't listen -- or choose to ignore the denunciations -- because it fits their worldview. They'd rather assume that because an extremely small handful of people are violent and radical and they claim to adhere to a particular religion, then all 1.3 billion adherents to that relgiion are violent and radical. That's like saying all Americans are like Paris Hilton because hey, she's American, isn't she? So obviously, all Americans are like that. If you earnestly wish to see what Muslim groups have denounced terrorism -- and I'll take you at your word that you do -- then here's a place to start: www.cair.com/AmericanMuslims/AntiTerrorism.aspxA good start is downloading the 68-page document they've put together and reading through that. If you're earnest, that is. Gotta go find a PR person....
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Post by Fingerplucked on May 13, 2011 10:50:04 GMT -5
Sorta related and sorta not...
Moderate Muslims should speak up and denounce terrorism, right? We keep hearing things like that. Moderate Muslims should also speak out against the extremists, because the only ones we hear from are the extremists. The moderates seem to be a very soft-spoken group.
That (or something along those lines) was the setup I heard on NPR a few months ago. Their real point was to then question where the moderate Christian groups are, and whether there are any Christian religions, churches or groups who "market" themselves as moderate. They didn't think so. I don't think so either. Nobody gets anybody to convert to a religion who promises to be so middle-of-the-road that they won't stand out from anyone else.
There's no such thing as moderate Muslims. There's no such thing as moderate Christians either.
At least I think so, based on my moderate views.
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on May 13, 2011 10:50:05 GMT -5
Good to see you back, Mr. Hanners!
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Post by Fingerplucked on May 13, 2011 10:56:28 GMT -5
[url=http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0507/Two-Muslims-bounced-from-Memphis-flight-despite-extra-screening ]A regional airlines bounced two Muslims off a plane [/url] even after they had gone through all the additional screening. Ironically, the two men were on their way to a conference on Islamophobia and anti-Muslim bias. So somebody didn't like their looks and that was enough to kick them off of a plane after they've already passed the TSA screeners. [/quote] From what I heard, those two were very understanding about the whole thing. Strictly a guess on my part: they were pissed off about being singled out and they were pissed off about the hassle and they were pissed off about the delay in their travel plans, but all that was offset by the excitement of planning their first few moments on stage at the Islamic meeting when they started with "Ok, you're not going to believe what just happened to us on our way here ...."
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