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Post by patrick on Jul 22, 2015 14:59:47 GMT -5
How would you suggest having democracy while disallowing religious belief from participating? Where am I wrong? Interesting that you see my analysis of his suggestion as a slur. Do you not see the slur in his suggestion that religious belief is so inferior and unreasonable that it should be excluded from democracy? I don't see any conflict whatsoever in having a democracy run on secular principles and having participation by religious believers. And he didn't say (if he said what is on that picture) that religious belief is so inferior and unreasonable that it should be excluded from democracy. Both your objections are groundless.
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Post by patrick on Jul 22, 2015 15:05:44 GMT -5
What is the scientific argument that compels us to preserve and defend the lives of severely disabled newborn children? I'm not sure what disabled babies have to do with climate change, the Pope, atheists (militant or pacifist), Stalin, Mao or Neil DeGrass Tyson, but OK... There is no scientific argument. There is a rational, non-religious moral argument that can be made to that effect. There is no inherently religious argument either, since many religions have allowed, even encouraged, killing disabled babies.
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Post by Village Idiot on Jul 22, 2015 15:11:25 GMT -5
I work with severely disabled children all the time. I have my thoughts, but have no intention of posting them on a public forum. Except to say that unless we've been there, we can hardly empathize either direction.
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Post by fauxmaha on Jul 22, 2015 15:17:05 GMT -5
How would you suggest having democracy while disallowing religious belief from participating? Where am I wrong? Interesting that you see my analysis of his suggestion as a slur. Do you not see the slur in his suggestion that religious belief is so inferior and unreasonable that it should be excluded from democracy? I don't see any conflict whatsoever in having a democracy run on secular principles and having participation by religious believers Suppose those religious believers vote, because of their religious beliefs, that the Pope's admonishions must be heeded and therefore fossil fuels are banned in the name of the Lord. Allowable? Suppose those religious believers vote, because of their religious beliefs, that the rights of citizenship begin at conception and therefore abortion is banned. Allowable? On both cases, who decides what is allowable?
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Post by billhammond on Jul 22, 2015 15:23:21 GMT -5
SO! Popcorn! Who wants popcorn?
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Post by patrick on Jul 22, 2015 15:26:18 GMT -5
Suppose those religious believers vote, because of their religious beliefs, that the Pope's admonishions must be heeded and therefore fossil fuels are banned in the name of the Lord. Allowable? Suppose those religious believers vote, because of their religious beliefs, that the rights of citizenship begin at conception and therefore abortion is banned. Allowable? On both cases, who decides what is allowable? Suppose that religious voters vote that women are inferior and should be required to wear hijab and prevented from working outside the home, allowable? Suppose that religious voters vote that all homosexuals should be put to death, allowable? If by allowable you mean they should be able to vote, then yes. If by allowable you mean that their clearly religious beliefs should become the law of the land, then not necessarily. Since we have a constitution that prevents the establishment of religion, the Supreme Court decides what becomes law. Hence you need rational, non-religious reasons to put into place a law that restricts the rights of others in order to pass constitutional muster. Is there a problem with that?
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Post by patrick on Jul 22, 2015 15:27:34 GMT -5
SO! Popcorn! Who wants popcorn? Depends. Is that popcorn brimstone flavored?
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Post by millring on Jul 22, 2015 16:10:14 GMT -5
I remember popcorn. Butter. The real thing. Shake the pot over the stove. Melt a few pounds of butter. Drop the popcorn into a brown grocery sack. Pour in the butter over it. Shake copious amounts of salt. Shake the bag 'til the sides turn dark. Turn on the Movie Of The Week and eat popcorn and drink 48 ounces of lemonade.
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Post by millring on Jul 22, 2015 16:12:21 GMT -5
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Post by theevan on Jul 22, 2015 16:41:11 GMT -5
There's a new Donald Trump insult generator if you care to get really, uh, irrelevant.
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Post by patrick on Jul 22, 2015 17:01:47 GMT -5
Dear John, You have a dreadful smile, bad swamp ass, and you're pretty goddamn disgusting. I don't loathe you because you're foolish or because you're unbeautiful, I loathe you because you live in a trailer. With warmest affection always, Patrick (this is fun!)
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Post by millring on Jul 22, 2015 17:03:29 GMT -5
My Dearest Patrick,
Compared with you, drowning in a sea of shit sounds pretty good.
Love,
XOXOXOX
John
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Post by drlj on Jul 22, 2015 17:20:08 GMT -5
Speaking of Trump, he said something interesting about faith and forgiveness the other day. Google it. It is really crackers. (You will get that when you read the quote.)
Pop corn is wonderful stuff. Done at home or when I grab a bag of Chicago mix for a real treat, I love it.
All churches should be forced to provide bags of pop corn as you enter. It should be a law. Provide pop corn or be taxed. That would insure lots of pop corn. A little wine, a little pop corn. Make religion relevant again!
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Post by drlj on Jul 22, 2015 17:22:01 GMT -5
John, you are a piss complected skunk.
Wow. That did feel good.
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Post by millring on Jul 22, 2015 17:27:07 GMT -5
You are really bad at this. You told it wrong.
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Post by drlj on Jul 22, 2015 17:32:30 GMT -5
I fly by my own rules, John-Boy. I take direction from no one. Freebird. That song was written about me.
Wait. Which post are you talking about?
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Post by millring on Jul 22, 2015 17:35:13 GMT -5
I fly by my own rules, John-Boy. I take direction from no one. Freebird. That song was written about me. Wait. Which post are you talking about? I was generalizing. Wait, I feel a generated insult coming on... It would be fantastic if you'd be quiet, you intolerant sack of boiled dicks.
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Post by drlj on Jul 22, 2015 17:41:21 GMT -5
I know when I have been out done. I will be on the couch reading the newest Daniel Silva novel, The English Spy. I will read quietly.
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Post by millring on Jul 22, 2015 17:53:44 GMT -5
I know when I have been out done. I will be on the couch reading the newest Daniel Silva novel, The English Spy. I will read quietly. It's good. Do you want me to tell you how it ends?
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Post by drlj on Jul 22, 2015 17:56:47 GMT -5
If you did that, it would only prove you were a total loser dummy with zero charisma who deserves to be non-heroically captured.
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