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Post by TKennedy on Sept 3, 2018 23:51:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 23:59:12 GMT -5
Probably.
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Post by RickW on Sept 4, 2018 0:22:03 GMT -5
He was the founder of the New York Post, so, he’s obviously a member of the fake media, and an Enemy of the American People.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 2:37:40 GMT -5
His words directly preceding that quote are interesting as well. "The idea of introducing a monarchy or aristocracy into this Country, by employing the influence and force of a Government continually changing hands, towards it, is one of those visionary things, that none but madmen could meditate and that no wise men will believe. If it could be done at all, which is utterly incredible, it would require a long series of time, certainly beyond the life of any individual to effect it. Who then would enter into such plot? For what purpose of interest or ambition? To hope that the people may be cajoled into giving their sanctions to such institutions is still more chimerical. A people so enlightened and so diversified as the people of this Country can surely never be brought to it, but from convulsions and disorders, in consequence of the acts of popular demagogues." Here is the link from the National Archives. founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-12-02-0184-0002 |
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Post by millring on Sept 4, 2018 3:45:06 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on Sept 4, 2018 8:44:27 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on Sept 4, 2018 8:49:46 GMT -5
Touche' Good on you. Except, I don't believe Obama ever scoffed in private at the principles of Liberty. Nor is he unprincipled in private life. I think he's a very principled man. Trump, on the other hand, is a narcissist. The only priniciple that matters is what's good for him. |
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Post by millring on Sept 4, 2018 8:58:56 GMT -5
Touche' Good on you. Except, I don't believe Obama ever scoffed in private at the principles of Liberty. No, he was quite public about it. And since more than 50% of America, and 90% of the national press agrees with him, it is not noted. |
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Sept 4, 2018 11:06:59 GMT -5
Touche' Good on you. Except, I don't believe Obama ever scoffed in private at the principles of Liberty. No, he was quite public about it. And since more than 50% of America, and 90% of the national press agrees with him, it is not noted. Bullshit. Mike |
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Post by Marshall on Sept 4, 2018 14:06:18 GMT -5
Touche' Good on you. Except, I don't believe Obama ever scoffed in private at the principles of Liberty. No, he was quite public about it. And since more than 50% of America, and 90% of the national press agrees with him, it is not noted. You're reaching VERY far on that one. Straining hard to fit your meme. |
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Post by millring on Sept 4, 2018 14:11:33 GMT -5
No, he was quite public about it. And since more than 50% of America, and 90% of the national press agrees with him, it is not noted. You're reaching VERY far on that one. Straining hard to fit your meme. Not really. He's pretty clear that civil rights trumps constitutional rights every time. Others of us aren't so sure that's "liberty". |
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Post by Marshall on Sept 4, 2018 14:21:53 GMT -5
We could argue all day. That'd be fun.  I think the Bears might be a surprising match for the Packers this Sunday. Underdogs, for sure. But they're going to be an interesting team this year. Could upset somebody's Liberty. |
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Post by millring on Sept 4, 2018 15:22:22 GMT -5
"Liberty" is one of the recordings of Bob Wills that makes you want to be listening to it on a vinyl disc so that you could angrily rip the disc off the turn table and smash to bits, screaming "Oh for the love of god, Bob, SHUT UP!!!!"
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Post by Marshall on Sept 4, 2018 16:29:33 GMT -5
I feel that way about some of your posts. (just kidding  ) |
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Post by millring on Sept 4, 2018 16:41:27 GMT -5
I feel that way about some of your posts. You misspelled "pots". |
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Post by Chesapeake on Sept 4, 2018 17:35:29 GMT -5
His words directly preceding that quote are interesting as well. "The idea of introducing a monarchy or aristocracy into this Country, by employing the influence and force of a Government continually changing hands, towards it, is one of those visionary things, that none but madmen could meditate and that no wise men will believe. If it could be done at all, which is utterly incredible, it would require a long series of time, certainly beyond the life of any individual to effect it. Who then would enter into such plot? For what purpose of interest or ambition? To hope that the people may be cajoled into giving their sanctions to such institutions is still more chimerical. A people so enlightened and so diversified as the people of this Country can surely never be brought to it, but from convulsions and disorders, in consequence of the acts of popular demagogues." Here is the link from the National Archives. founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-12-02-0184-0002We can only hope our democracy is that immune to madmen and despots. But Alexis de Tocqueville warned: "In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve." |
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Post by Marshall on Sept 5, 2018 9:01:39 GMT -5
I feel that way about some of your posts. You misspelled "pots". I like your pots. I've reread the Hamilton quote. I'll grant you the first paragraph could apply, in varying degrees, to any Presidential candidate. But the 2nd paragraph speaks "Trump" to me more than any candidate I've ever known. |
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Post by millring on Sept 5, 2018 9:14:13 GMT -5
I like your pots. I've reread the Hamilton quote. I'll grant you the first paragraph could apply, in varying degrees, to any Presidential candidate. But the 2nd paragraph speaks "Trump" to me more than any candidate I've ever known. And I think it applies equally, but more dangerously, to Obama. More dangerously because a majority of Americans, informed by the national press, are in agreement with Obama's goals toward dismantling the constitutional limits on our government. What Trump has done so far is hardly anything more than undoing the overreaching power grab for the executive that Obama executed. If one agrees with Obama's goals, they don't see his overreach as dangerous. We think a despot we agree with is okay. |
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Post by Dub on Sept 5, 2018 9:54:16 GMT -5
John, Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago for twelve years. I didn’t necessarily agree with the way he went about things as POTUS but I think he’s every bit as committed to the US Constitution as you or I or anyone we know. This may have become an emotional issue fo you. I can understand that. Peace. |
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Post by brucemacneill on Sept 5, 2018 9:58:18 GMT -5
John, Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago for twelve years. I didn’t necessarily agree with the way he went about things as POTUS but I think he’s every bit as committed to the US Constitution as you or I or anyone we know. This may have become an emotional issue fo you. I can understand that. Peace. IMHO, teaching doesn't require actual knowledge. I learned that in an instructor training class. Just follow the script. You don't have to understand it. I never believed that incidentally so I tended not to follow the script. From his actions, I can't tell that Obama ever read the constitution let alone understood it. |
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