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Post by Cornflake on Apr 30, 2020 20:33:32 GMT -5
From two expat friends in Belize. I'm sure you were all wondering how people there are doing.
"From tomorrow in Belize... wear a mask in public or it’s a $5000 fine or 2 years in jail! Borders will remain closed for 2 more months. This is our 17th day with no new cases. 18 cases total with 7 cases now and only two deaths. We’re doing well... let’s keep it that way!"
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 30, 2020 21:15:58 GMT -5
From a David Brooks column. I think he was off target in some regards but on target in others, such as here. "Even in a pandemic there are weavers and rippers. The weavers try to spiritually hold each other so we can get through this together. The rippers, from Donald Trump on down, see everything through the prism of politics and still emphasize division. For the rippers on left and right, politics is a war that gives life meaning. "Fortunately, the rippers are not winning. America is pretty united right now. In an ABC News/Ipsos poll last week, 98 percent of Democrats and 82 percent of Republicans supported social-distancing rules. According to a Yahoo News/YouGov survey, nearly 90 percent of Americans think a second wave of the virus would be at least somewhat likely if we ended the lockdowns today. www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/opinion/coronavirus-unity.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 30, 2020 21:34:51 GMT -5
From a David Brooks column. I think he was off target in some regards but on target in others, such as here. "Even in a pandemic there are weavers and rippers. The weavers try to spiritually hold each other so we can get through this together. The rippers, from Donald Trump on down, see everything through the prism of politics and still emphasize division. For the rippers on left and right, politics is a war that gives life meaning. "Fortunately, the rippers are not winning. America is pretty united right now. In an ABC News/Ipsos poll last week, 98 percent of Democrats and 82 percent of Republicans supported social-distancing rules. According to a Yahoo News/YouGov survey, nearly 90 percent of Americans think a second wave of the virus would be at least somewhat likely if we ended the lockdowns today. www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/opinion/coronavirus-unity.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=HomepageSorry Mr. Brooks, but this time you're just too early. The natives are getting increasingly restless under this fascist horseshit and your attempts to shut people down in your phenomenal arrogance are getting increasingly hostile and belligerent. Pretty soon folks will just start openly ignoring them. And you can't arrest us all. And you still have 7 months to the election. In short, f**k you.
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Post by millring on Apr 30, 2020 22:07:39 GMT -5
...Beyond the fact that his math is absurd, Denmark and Norway will keep counting later this year. And next year. And next year. And any time they "open back up". Meanwhile, Sweden will have a higher death toll in the short term and then will be free while everyone else keeps dying and catching up. The math isn't absurd. Math is math. And unsubstantiated guesses regarding future runs of the virus are just that, unsubstantiated guesses. Sweden's "viral freedom" isn't something that will be known for some time. It may be, or it may not. It can't be known until it is known. (you can start guessing come September. Or August if you just can't wait. But now? there is no point.) You're presuming that only one side is guessing, and you're presuming that there is not a greater harm being done by them. And actually, you're not arguing. You're fence sitting while one side has already made the decision you appear to be comfortable with...and then you frame the discussion as though only one side is guessing. And, yes, math is math, and epidemiology depends on it greatly. The entire PBS Nightly Horror Show with Judy Woodruff tonight was story after story of economic devastation around the world. But you can comfortably sit on the fence and say that I'm just guessing while the ones who already decided to launch this devastation were not.
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Post by epaul on Apr 30, 2020 23:40:41 GMT -5
You are making a lot of presumptions about my presumptions. You presume far too much. Ironic.
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Post by millring on May 1, 2020 5:22:09 GMT -5
Dr Livingstone? ...is that you?
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Post by jdd2 on May 1, 2020 6:03:15 GMT -5
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Post by epaul on May 1, 2020 9:05:15 GMT -5
What a Drama Queen. They got approval from the FDA, the State Department, and Customs (and the airport authorities). And now he is Big Guy huffing and puffing for the press. Ya, you betcha! What a Maroon!
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Post by james on May 1, 2020 21:13:29 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on May 1, 2020 23:58:33 GMT -5
Damn. This is tuff shit. And it's going to get tuffer, before it get's better.
I googled Russia Corona Virus, just to see what's happening over there. Are they just sitting on the sidelines laffing at us all? Well, no. They've got the same quarantining things and worries the rest of the world is dealing with. This is big everywhere.
I don't know. I'm real worried for the world. . . . , I think I'll play social distancing golf on Tuesday, if it doesn't rain.
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Post by jdd2 on May 2, 2020 0:55:12 GMT -5
... the same quarantining things and worries the rest of the world is dealing with. This is big everywhere. ... OTOH, taiwan and korea seem to have it very much under control, even beaten. (and without the vigilante democracy) Which of these resulted in gun control legislation?
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Post by jdd2 on May 2, 2020 3:53:53 GMT -5
This is from this morning's paper, the pen points at our prefecture. For all of japan's failings on the coronavirus, so leave aside that there are 14,500 infections/positives as unreliable, there've been 486 confirmed deaths. For something like 125 million people, that doesn't seem like a very big problem. Even the "curve" is looking good: (this leaves the cruise ship numbers out) 3/24 is when they gave up and canceled/delayed the olympics, note the quick surge just after that--people think they were finessing the numbers before that date. Still, new daily cases nationally have fallen below 200--fingers crossed that that continues down. (I was reading earlier that Georgia (the state, not the country), had a thousand new cases/day.)
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Post by jdd2 on May 3, 2020 7:14:21 GMT -5
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Post by james on May 3, 2020 8:10:45 GMT -5
Contact tracing app., A bluetooth phone thing, being trialled next week before more widespread rollout. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52521526My Aussie friends and family have started something similar.
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Post by theevan on May 3, 2020 8:19:23 GMT -5
I apologize for the United States not being Japan. And for Americans not being Japanese.
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Post by james on May 3, 2020 8:37:43 GMT -5
The Warren Buffet quote is new to me. Also, am pleased to report no little blue spots on my thighs.
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Post by jdd2 on May 3, 2020 8:52:26 GMT -5
I apologize for the United States not being Japan. And for Americans not being Japanese. Eh? Japan wasn't mentioned once there. edit: but I guess my previous posts did. Still, less than 500 deaths vs 66,000 for the US. Those armed protesters are focused on the wrong thing.
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May 3, 2020 8:57:25 GMT -5
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Post by fauxmaha on May 3, 2020 8:57:25 GMT -5
I apologize for the United States not being Japan. And for Americans not being Japanese. Eh? Japan wasn't mentioned once there. Did you read your own article? The whole thing was premised on how the Japanese auto industry was able to quickly overcome a supply chain disruption. It was literally the central point if the article.
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Post by jdd2 on May 3, 2020 9:00:29 GMT -5
But not the health care system, so sorry, I should have said japan's health care system was not mentioned once there.
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Post by fauxmaha on May 3, 2020 9:21:36 GMT -5
Other things not mentioned in the article:
- The role of the FDA (and countless other regulatory agencies) in impeding a rapid, flexible response to disruption.
- The role of Federal anti-trust legislation in preventing the development of keiretsu type systems in the US.
- The absence of union interference in Japan when production was moved.
- The fact that the trust required between Japanese companies to pull that off is ultimately predicated on a xenophobic, mono-culture.
Etc, etc, etc.
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