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Post by james on May 6, 2020 18:44:19 GMT -5
I don't know who the man in that last meme photo is. Is he generally regarded as quite dim?
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Post by aquaduct on May 6, 2020 18:50:00 GMT -5
I don't know who the man in that last meme photo is. Is he generally regarded as quite dim? He's a character in the TV show "The Office", generally regarded as the normal one.
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on May 6, 2020 18:50:04 GMT -5
Sid, any news on your test? How's the breath? (other than the onions, that is) Thanks for asking, Paul! Test came back on Sunday, neg for everything. This was no surprise; even though K and I were both sick AF for 12 days straight, it was back in mid-march. In testing, as in comedy, music, and real estate: timing is everything. Right now, I feel 100 percent. The trend has been 5 days shortness of breath, then better for 8-10 days; rinse lather repeat. That’s happened 3 times total, and I’m hoping the 3rd time is the charm. I’ll know more in a week, I suppose.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on May 6, 2020 18:55:16 GMT -5
How are you losing your identity, John? Mike Mike, you're a good guy, so it is with the gentlest possible touch I say I don't think you understand how indescribably cruel you are here. Jeff, I guess I don’t understand. And maybe this is a subject for a different thread, or maybe I just think differently. But is our identity so wrapped up in our work, that will stop one day no matter what, that we can’t exist outside it? John is an artist. Anyone who has been here for more than fifteen minutes knows that. He crafts words, music, pots, and maybe more. If he can no longer sell his stoneware he will still be a artist. If he never writes another word, never plays another note he will still be an artist. That’s what I was trying to get at, maybe I’m wrong, if so, I’m sorry. I don’t pretend for a minute that the economic fallout from this will not be disastrous for years to come. I agree that people are not putting up with it much anymore. Today I had to drive a hour into east Portland for a root canal. Traffic sucked, almost like normal. Mike
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Post by epaul on May 6, 2020 19:15:43 GMT -5
Haven't 20 of the 26 Republican governors also issued stay at home policies with the typical exception for essential workers and businesses (with seemingly every business other than entertainment and tattoo parlors qualifying as essential).
And ND with its Republican Gov is listed in the media as one of the remaining "hold out states", but I'm right here in North Dakota and it sure the hell isn't. (or is only by the narrowest and simplistically literal definition of such). I hear the governor address this issue nearly every day (used to be every day, but my interest is starting to taper off and fade significantly) and he is all over this deal, reporting testing progress, cases, recoveries, hospital loads, and reinforcing the reasoning behind the state's set of recommended social practices and polices, a set of practices and polices he has tagged as "North Dakota Smart". And near as I can tell, they are being followed by the majority of folks in this state.
(and ND is now in the top five of citizens tested per capita and in the bottom five of positive cases per capita, so something is working... maybe. The fat lady ain't done singing.)
It all may or may not be misplaced, wasted effort (I'll have a better idea in a couple months), but ND's Gov is taking this deal seriously and is following the science as it is being presented to him by the CDC. (and with an MBA from Stanford and as the CEO of a multi-million dollar software company he developed and then sold to Microsoft (the CEO of which is a college buddy of his) he understands what the CDC is talking about.
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Post by aquaduct on May 6, 2020 19:37:38 GMT -5
Haven't 20 of the 26 Republican governors also issued stay at home policies with the typical exception for essential workers and businesses (with seemingly every business other than entertainment and tattoo parlors qualifying as essential). And ND with its Republican Gov is listed in the media as one of the remaining "hold out states", but I'm right here in North Dakota and it sure the hell isn't. (or is only by the narrowest and simplistically literal definition of such). I hear the governor address this issue nearly every day (used to be every day, but my interest is starting to tapper off and fade significantly) and he is all over this deal, reporting testing progress, cases, recoveries, hospital loads, and reinforcing the reasoning behind the state's set of recommended social practices and polices, a set of practices and polices he has tagged as "North Dakota Smart". And near as I can tell, they are being followed by the majority of folks in this state. (and ND is now in the top five of citizens tested per capita and in the bottom five of positive cases per capita, so something is working... maybe. The fat lady ain't done singing.) It all may or may not be misplaced, wasted effort (I'll have a better idea in a couple months), but ND's Gov is taking this deal seriously and is following the science as it is being presented to him by the CDC. (and with an MBA from Stanford and as the CEO of a multi-million dollar software company he developed and then sold to Microsoft (the CEO of which is a college buddy of his) he understands what the CDC is talking about. The projections of Friday's unemployment numbers are running to 25 to 30 million people. It's a fucking shame you can be so blithely unconcerned. After all, it ain't hurting you.
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Post by billhammond on May 6, 2020 19:53:40 GMT -5
Haven't 20 of the 26 Republican governors also issued stay at home policies with the typical exception for essential workers and businesses (with seemingly every business other than entertainment and tattoo parlors qualifying as essential). And ND with its Republican Gov is listed in the media as one of the remaining "hold out states", but I'm right here in North Dakota and it sure the hell isn't. (or is only by the narrowest and simplistically literal definition of such). I hear the governor address this issue nearly every day (used to be every day, but my interest is starting to tapper off and fade significantly) and he is all over this deal, reporting testing progress, cases, recoveries, hospital loads, and reinforcing the reasoning behind the state's set of recommended social practices and polices, a set of practices and polices he has tagged as "North Dakota Smart". And near as I can tell, they are being followed by the majority of folks in this state. (and ND is now in the top five of citizens tested per capita and in the bottom five of positive cases per capita, so something is working... maybe. The fat lady ain't done singing.) It all may or may not be misplaced, wasted effort (I'll have a better idea in a couple months), but ND's Gov is taking this deal seriously and is following the science as it is being presented to him by the CDC. (and with an MBA from Stanford and as the CEO of a multi-million dollar software company he developed and then sold to Microsoft (the CEO of which is a college buddy of his) he understands what the CDC is talking about. The projections of Friday's unemployment numbers are running to 25 to 30 million people. It's a fucking shame you can be so blithely unconcerned. After all, it ain't hurting you. Peter, for multiple reasons, could you stop with the effenheimers?
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Post by jdd2 on May 6, 2020 20:27:19 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on May 6, 2020 20:31:12 GMT -5
The projections of Friday's unemployment numbers are running to 25 to 30 million people. It's a fucking shame you can be so blithely unconcerned. After all, it ain't hurting you. Peter, for multiple reasons, could you stop with the effenheimers? Sure, what swear word works for you?
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Post by theevan on May 6, 2020 21:30:34 GMT -5
Peter, for multiple reasons, could you stop with the effenheimers? Sure, what swear word works for you? If you'll channel Ned Flanders you should be okay. "Toodily-doo" "Hi-diddly-ho" and so on (I'm with Bill on that.)
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Post by epaul on May 6, 2020 22:07:25 GMT -5
...It's a fucking shame you can be so blithely unconcerned. After all, it ain't hurting you. Unconcerned? You are a complete ass, Pete. How about worn out, fatigued from following daily all the details of something out of my control. Is that better, you sour dipshit!
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Post by james on May 6, 2020 23:02:16 GMT -5
I think that there should be carefully considered "reopenings", the sorts of measures that are slowly, cautiously happening in different locales around the world according to their particular circumstances and preparedness.
In the continuing absence of improved medical interventions, the process will need to be cyclical (hammer and dance).
A less careful approach could IMO lead to significant supply chain disruptions and healthcare situations and outcomes that make the current, already grave situation look like a walk in the park.
YMMV
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Post by david on May 7, 2020 1:42:38 GMT -5
I believe I mentioned a month ago that an observer in Italy mentioned that local social media became mean spirited with the increasing prevalence of the disease, deaths, and subsequent restrictions on socialization. I see it happening here. With this virus our freedoms are being impinged. Income for many of us is being reduced or cut-off. The career choices that many of us made when we were 18 to 35 years old are thrown into the "what if" zone of self-doubt. We are on edge and angry.
It is tempting, especially as our own personal sacrifices occur, to fall back on our political suspicions and prejudices. (I admit that I am likely not immune!!!!)Some think that what is good for the economy should dictate policy, without regard to health of the general population. Others think that the health of the population should prevail over the economic well being of individuals. Most of us are in the middle, trying to balance what is best for the population, and likely skewed to what is best for our own personal circumstances.
The shit factor is that there is no right answer because we have no experience and no answers as to: 1. Can we develop "herd" resistance 2. Is there a potential cure if we maintain social distancing and wait long enough for vaccine or other natural developments 3. Does the virus just keep re-infecting everyone until we all succumb to it 4. If we stop social distancing, will our medical staff and facilities become so overwhelmed that many more will die than if we maintained social distancing
I suspect that many of our political leaders, especially our state governors, and those political leaders around the globe, are, in good faith, trying to guide their governments, with the above thoughts in mind.
As to Trump and his administration, I believe Trump's vanity will cause him say and do whatever he thinks will get him re-elected, despite the loss of human life. He and Pence refused to even wear masks recently: Pence at the Mayo Clinic, Trump at the Honeywell factory where they are making 3M masks. (The employees blasted Guns and Roses version of "Live or Let Die" from speakers throughout the visit. Pursuant to local regulations, employees wore masks, Donald did not). I don't think Trump is interested in my health or yours.
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Post by aquaduct on May 7, 2020 3:09:20 GMT -5
Sure, what swear word works for you? If you'll channel Ned Flanders you should be okay. "Toodily-doo" "Hi-diddly-ho" and so on (I'm with Bill on that.) Well then, for you I'll work on it.
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Post by aquaduct on May 7, 2020 3:22:47 GMT -5
I believe I mentioned a month ago that an observer in Italy mentioned that local social media became mean spirited with the increasing prevalence of the disease, deaths, and subsequent restrictions on socialization. I see it happening here. With this virus our freedoms are being impinged. Income for many of us is being reduced or cut-off. The career choices that many of us made when we were 18 to 35 years old are thrown into the "what if" zone of self-doubt. We are on edge and angry. It is tempting, especially as our own personal sacrifices occur, to fall back on our political suspicions and prejudices. (I admit that I am likely not immune!!!!)Some think that what is good for the economy should dictate policy, without regard to health of the general population. Others think that the health of the population should prevail over the economic well being of individuals. Most of us are in the middle, trying to balance what is best for the population, and likely skewed to what is best for our own personal circumstances. The shit factor is that there is no right answer because we have no experience and no answers as to: 1. Can we develop "herd" resistance 2. Is there a potential cure if we maintain social distancing and wait long enough for vaccine or other natural developments 3. Does the virus just keep re-infecting everyone until we all succumb to it 4. If we stop social distancing, will our medical staff and facilities become so overwhelmed that many more will die than if we maintained social distancing I suspect that many of our political leaders, especially our state governors, and those political leaders around the globe, are, in good faith, trying to guide their governments, with the above thoughts in mind. As to Trump and his administration, I believe Trump's vanity will cause him say and do whatever he thinks will get him re-elected, despite the loss of human life. He and Pence refused to even wear masks recently: Pence at the Mayo Clinic, Trump at the Honeywell factory where they are making 3M masks. (The employees blasted Guns and Roses version of "Live or Let Die" from speakers throughout the visit. Pursuant to local regulations, employees wore masks, Donald did not). I don't think Trump is interested in my health or yours. Sure, it's all about Trump. The economy's been shut down. Trump hasn't overruled the governors to stop these reckless reopenings. Or not reopenings as the case may be. And Honeywell's fight song on the plant floor where the little people are working is somehow Trump's fault. And people are now suffering form the greatest economic disaster in our history and that's Trump's fault. Zero to beating the Great Depression in weeks, and that's Trump's fault. Unbelievable.
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Post by aquaduct on May 7, 2020 4:36:51 GMT -5
...It's a fucking shame you can be so blithely unconcerned. After all, it ain't hurting you. Unconcerned? You are a complete ass, Pete. How about worn out, fatigued from following daily all the details of something out of my control. Is that better, you sour dipshit! Certainly better than this. This conspiracy is far broader than you two credit. It isn't just the United States that has fallen for the lies of epidemiologists (take out the epi and change a few other letters, and epideminologist spells "demon- ologist"). The rest of the world has fallen for these same lies. China, Russia, England, France, Canada, Turkey, Iran, Israel, Japan... what an odd lot of bedfellows, all deceived by the same hoax, all tricked into the same "desired" response by a scarily amazing number of "experts"... ... pretty suspicious when you think about it... deep think... really deep, deep, deep think about it. One World Government! Ring a bell? They've been waiting, we all know they have been waiting, waiting, for the right moment. But, they didn't reckon on the power of Facebook! Fools! Facebook gives The People the power to create an alternate reality. Find a sour failure, hire a porn star as interviewer/narrator, throw in a sinister soundtrack, and presto chango, a new Truth is released on Facebook to do battle with the One World Minions of Satan... ... Or Zoltar... ... Here's a little truth nugget I picked up on Facebook. Next time Fauci the Fake is on TV, put on your Tactical Sunglasses, those ones that allow you to see the Flag so many try to hide, and take a good look at the back of Fauci's neck. A real good look. There is a little worm-like protrusion there... and it moves. The other doctors have them too. And not just our doctors, take a look at the Chinese, French, Israeli, Finnish, Russian, and Japanese doctors. The same little worm-like protrusion. On all of them. Draw your own conclusions, but there is a reason the entire world is acting in virtual lockstep in response to this "crisis". There is a reason. Put on your tactical sunglasses, watch Facebook videos narrated by porn stars. The Truth is out there.
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Post by millring on May 7, 2020 5:53:07 GMT -5
Some think that what is good for the economy should dictate policy, without regard to health of the general population. Others think that the health of the population should prevail over the economic well being of individuals. Still others think that the best health policy would also have been a reasonable economic policy. Many still doubt that the shutdown was the best choice -- NOT economically -- but for our health. It has yet to be proven that it saved a significant number. And, "we'll never know" is not a satisfactory answer given by people who have decided that they will act as though they do know and simply block all awkward questions. There's a great big government out there swinging a hammer around with utter disregard for the damage it is doing, and asked what good is swinging the hammer doing, it answers "we'll never know" and when asked when it will stop, it says "Maybe never because every time I stop, all the good we're not sure we are doing will stop with it."
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Post by howard lee on May 7, 2020 7:33:58 GMT -5
...It's a fucking shame you can be so blithely unconcerned. After all, it ain't hurting you. Unconcerned? You are a complete ass, Pete. How about worn out, fatigued from following daily all the details of something out of my control. Is that better, you sour dipshit!
Gentlemen, please! We are all supposed to be friends here with things—I'm not sure what anymore—in common, which brought us here in the first place. Friends, not spouses and kids. It doesn't need to get personal, even if we disagree. Yeesh.
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Post by james on May 7, 2020 7:48:44 GMT -5
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Post by Cornflake on May 7, 2020 9:29:06 GMT -5
"I suspect that many of our political leaders, especially our state governors, and those political leaders around the globe, are, in good faith, trying to guide their governments, with the above thoughts in mind."
Yes. I'm following my state's data and the actions of our conservative Republican governor. My impression is that he's a week or two early in his steps to reopen things. That's not a huge difference. But he has more information than I do. If I had all that information I might be doing exactly what he's doing. In any event, I'm going to give him a lot of slack.
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