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Post by Cosmic Wonder on May 8, 2020 8:46:32 GMT -5
That is why, here, in this place, "Toodle it" works for me. This seems a perfect place for a musical interlude. Mike
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Post by AlanC on May 8, 2020 9:06:06 GMT -5
That is good stuff right there. Despite the Grand Canyon between our political beliefs I have never said you don't have good taste in music. Which is way more important anyway.
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Post by james on May 8, 2020 9:48:27 GMT -5
From Tara Haelle at Forbes - "By now you’ve probably heard about or even seen the video “Plandemic” that’s been spreading like wildfire through social media networks. This article is not the one you should give to your friend or relative or coworker who shared the video. This is an article for those who recognized the video as rife with conspiracy theories, misinformation and false claims, those who are frustrated and unsettled and disappointed in who they see sharing it, and those who want to know what to say when they see it. It explains why the video is successful, how to recognize propaganda like this for what it is, and explain why it is so, so, so important to speak up about this particular video." Sorry Tara....
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Post by aquaduct on May 8, 2020 11:01:37 GMT -5
(BTW, I also think a baker has a right to refuse a commission...and I'd be interested in seeing how you reconcile the contradiction present in your different conclusions to each example). In any case, I doubt the law will matter much here. My point is that, by the standard you described, YouTube's action was perfectly counterproductive. Well, there's the matter of what constitutes a "public accomodation," various anti-discrimination laws, plus that old conservative favorite, "community standards." What kind of "commission"? A cake with two grooms/brides? Any cake that includes signals that the celebrants are not One Man and One Woman? Any cake lacking specific semiotics other than "wedding" that will go to a same-sex couple? A cake for a mixed-race couple? A gay mixed-race couple? To what degree is said cake a political or artistic expression that could be attributed (however wrongly) to the baker? At what point does "we don't serve those people/associate with those events" cross over into protected speech territory? As for the second assertion, I repeat: Nothing is going to discourage conspiracy buffs, so while banning toxic bullshit might reinforce the nut jobs' delusions of persecution and Sekrut Stuff Going On, letting it run effectively encourages nuttery by allowing it to spread. It's a lose-lose. So what's your take on Climate Change/Global Warming/CO2's Going To Kill Us All and "Planet of the Humans"? Just curious how wide that gate swings.
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Post by james on May 8, 2020 11:40:28 GMT -5
This should really be in another thread. What I don't get is how come you, Aquaduct, decided to post POTH, which posits (using numerous outdated distortions and misinformation) that the most suitable response to man-made climate change/global warming is population control.
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Post by Russell Letson on May 8, 2020 11:49:26 GMT -5
Peter, I haven't seen Planet of the Humans and don't plan to, nor do I feel the need to explain my understanding of climate change to you--though I will say that I've been watching the issue for years, long before it became a political football. Life's too short to get into arguments with fixed-position ideologues. (I spent my school years with rigorous and rigid Catholics and then Marxists, and I finally decided to wash my hands of true believers in both camps. I cultivate my own garden.)
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Post by aquaduct on May 8, 2020 13:51:11 GMT -5
This should really be in another thread. What I don't get is how come you, Aquaduct, decided to post POTH, which posits (using numerous outdated distortions and misinformation) that the most suitable response to man-made climate change/global warming is population control. No, that wasn't my position at all. I've been professionally involved in the entire climate change discussion and don't buy it for a second. Not because it's politically contrary to my belief system, but rather that my engineering background says the "science" behind climate change is a lie. And since physics has a much longer timeline than the climate change industry, the core disconnects highlighted in POTH continue to be a dangerous fraud oriented around justifying population control in all it's spectacular horror. POTH does default to a false conclusion, but the lead up to the argument is spot on. I also believe this pandemic is the final nail in the coffin for the climate change hype. The climate change industry can't seem to help itself, but I'm continuing to see article after article focusing on the need for drastic measures to fight climate change, all the while on the other side of the horrors of mass unemployment and the actual economic devastation in store if we actually march down that path. My whole point of asking the question is to see if the high dudgeon of the folks that are rabid about the rubes and idiots that believe supposed conspiracy theories but are completely clueless about their own entirely baseless conspiracy theories. And that point has been asked and definitely answered.
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Post by james on May 8, 2020 14:11:18 GMT -5
Before it reaches its population control conclusions (and orangutans?), POTH has no argument with the scientific consensus on AGW. The point of the film is to criticize unfettered capitalism, renewables and environmentalists. They do not argue with climate science. Weirdly, nuclear power doesn't get a look in.
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Post by aquaduct on May 8, 2020 14:14:27 GMT -5
Scientific consensus doesn't mean what you've convinced yourself it means.
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Post by james on May 8, 2020 14:21:39 GMT -5
Anyway, as I said, wrong thread. Like that never happens. Mea culpa.
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Post by Cornflake on May 8, 2020 19:01:42 GMT -5
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Post by Hobson on May 9, 2020 14:12:01 GMT -5
Flake, thanks for the link. I have chewed on the Economist article twice and it's a lot to digest.
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Post by Cornflake on May 9, 2020 21:02:34 GMT -5
Renée, you've reached your pun limit for the day.
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Post by millring on May 10, 2020 7:10:16 GMT -5
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Post by millring on May 10, 2020 8:21:12 GMT -5
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Post by james on May 10, 2020 9:06:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure how it helps to call people who might have all sorts of concerns about the virus "you guys who are scared shitless".
Edit - It may not be a much shared opinion but your post sounds to me like
"Are you scaredy-cats able to read this but then be so dense that you can't understand its errors. Surely not!"
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Post by Marshall on May 10, 2020 9:45:42 GMT -5
I suspect you are thinking the virus doesn't go away until we achiever herd immunity. So, by quarantining and shutting down the economy we're just putting off the inevitable (and destroying the world economy at the same time). The purpose of quarantining was to flatten the curve. Looks like it has done that so far. How much longer, is the serious question.
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Post by aquaduct on May 10, 2020 9:55:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure how it helps to call people who might have all sorts of concerns about the virus "you guys who are scared shitless". Edit - It may not be a much shared opinion but your post sounds to me like "Are you scaredy-cats able to read this but then be so dense that you can't understand its errors. Surely not!" It probably helps ease the rage of being called an idiot or worse by myopic self-centered cowards.
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Post by epaul on May 10, 2020 10:04:35 GMT -5
I have no control over the country, just myself. My plan was, and still is, to try dodge the virus until doctors have treatment protocols in place and some helpful medications at their disposal. As for the economy, my credit card bill clearly shows that I have been doing my part in full to support it. No decrease in spending whatsoever in any category, and in one, groceries, the most spending I have ever recorded.
(I never have spent much of anything in restaurants, bars, movie theaters or air travel... not since I got married and had kids. Sigh...)
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Post by millring on May 10, 2020 10:24:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure how it helps to call people who might have all sorts of concerns about the virus "you guys who are scared shitless". Edit - It may not be a much shared opinion but your post sounds to me like "Are you scaredy-cats able to read this but then be so dense that you can't understand its errors. Surely not!" I suspect that has everything to do with your image of me ever having horns, and little to do with what I ever say. Again, this is so easily solved. You have the power to block my annoying posts. I might appreciate it as well, as I wouldn't have to suffer your constant stalking behaviors.
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