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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Apr 3, 2020 17:04:46 GMT -5
I think you need a new avatar, John.
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Post by fauxmaha on Apr 3, 2020 17:23:58 GMT -5
On the topic of believing experts, this is rather bracing:
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Post by jdd2 on Apr 3, 2020 17:28:34 GMT -5
Why deny when you can just revise?
Maybe louisiana should've been left on its own to deal with katrina.
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 3, 2020 17:31:37 GMT -5
I've given it some thought, and I really can't think of a better term to describe the kind of people I'm talking about. None of whom live on this forum. But they do exist, in great numbers. Seriously, Don? I've made my living with f'ing science. And I know what HC + O2 => CO2 + H2O actually means. It means f'ing climate change is a g'damn political stunt. So what do you have?
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Post by Marshall on Apr 3, 2020 17:53:57 GMT -5
I've given it some thought, and I really can't think of a better term to describe the kind of people I'm talking about. None of whom live on this forum. But they do exist, in great numbers. Seriously, Don? I've made my living with f'ing science. And I know what HC + O2 => CO2 + H2O actually means. It means f'ing climate change is a g'damn political stunt. So what do you have? www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/polar-extremes/Fantastis show. It's 2 hours long. Scientific. HARD evidence. It's probably hour and a half in before they start discussing the effects of mankind in the last 150 years (Industrial Revolution). Quite sobering. Not that I think there's anything realistic yet to do about it. - The show goes through the history of the planet ecologically. There have been many periods where CO2 was higher, and the planet was much hotter. Periods where the poles were a tropical jungle. Also periods of ice ages. Periods where CO2 levels were relatively low. Ecologically we're coming out of an Ice Age. Nowhere near a hot/CO2 max. But the rise in CO2 in the last 150 years has been on a scale only repeated once before in planet history. That was a heavy volcanic period and led to very high levels of CO2 and tropical arctic. We're nowhere near those levels now. But that's the direction the planet is heading. Venus is VERY HOT because, in large part, it's atmosphere is predominantly CO2.
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 3, 2020 18:19:57 GMT -5
Seriously, Don? I've made my living with f'ing science. And I know what HC + O2 => CO2 + H2O actually means. It means f'ing climate change is a g'damn political stunt. So what do you have? www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/polar-extremes/Fantastis show. It's 2 hours long. Scientific. HARD evidence. It's probably hour and a half in before they start discussing the effects of mankind in the last 150 years (Industrial Revolution). Quite sobering. Not that I think there's anything realistic yet to do about it. - The show goes through the history of the planet ecologically. There have been many periods where CO2 was higher, and the planet was much hotter. Periods where the poles were a tropical jungle. Also periods of ice ages. Periods where CO2 levels were relatively low. Ecologically we're coming out of an Ice Age. Nowhere near a hot/CO2 max. But the rise in CO2 in the last 150 years has been on a scale only repeated once before in planet history. That was a heavy volcanic period and led to very high levels of CO2 and tropical arctic. We're nowhere near those levels now. But that's the direction the planet is heading. Venus is VERY HOT because, in large part, it's atmosphere is predominantly CO2. Do you seriously think I haven't heard all that shit before? At one time it was my f'ing job fer chrissake. I could match you expert for expert with just the opposite. You got anything new to offer?
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Post by jdd2 on Apr 3, 2020 18:22:43 GMT -5
You know what engineers use for birth control?
Their personalities.
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 3, 2020 18:30:18 GMT -5
You know what engineers use for birth control? Their personalities. I'm guessing you don't have to use anything for birth control.
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Post by jdd2 on Apr 3, 2020 18:59:51 GMT -5
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Post by theevan on Apr 3, 2020 19:56:09 GMT -5
On balance, I think recovery would have been faster, smoother and more complete. So, yes.
With all the grandiose promise of rebuilding came miles of red tape and unbelievably slow processes. Meanwhile, people did nothing while waiting for the federal ship to come in. The many who waited on the fed suffered terribly.
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Post by Marshall on Apr 3, 2020 21:58:14 GMT -5
www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/polar-extremes/Fantastis show. It's 2 hours long. Scientific. HARD evidence. It's probably hour and a half in before they start discussing the effects of mankind in the last 150 years (Industrial Revolution). Quite sobering. Not that I think there's anything realistic yet to do about it. - The show goes through the history of the planet ecologically. There have been many periods where CO2 was higher, and the planet was much hotter. Periods where the poles were a tropical jungle. Also periods of ice ages. Periods where CO2 levels were relatively low. Ecologically we're coming out of an Ice Age. Nowhere near a hot/CO2 max. But the rise in CO2 in the last 150 years has been on a scale only repeated once before in planet history. That was a heavy volcanic period and led to very high levels of CO2 and tropical arctic. We're nowhere near those levels now. But that's the direction the planet is heading. Venus is VERY HOT because, in large part, it's atmosphere is predominantly CO2. Do you seriously think I haven't heard all that shit before? At one time it was my f'ing job fer chrissake. I could match you expert for expert with just the opposite. You got anything new to offer? I didn't know you were a Phd geologist and paleontologist too. I'm not knocking anybody. I'm just saying facts are facts. And one of the hard fast facts is that humanity is not going back to Pre-Industrial Civilization life-style. Ox carts. Horse and buggy. Sailing ships. Or pre-Industrial revolution population levels and life expediencies. Not for anything. Also doesn't change the fact that we're changing the planet.
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Post by fauxmaha on Apr 3, 2020 22:27:04 GMT -5
"humanity is not going back to Pre-Industrial Civilization life-style. Ox carts. Horse and buggy. Sailing ships. Or pre-Industrial revolution population levels and life expediencies."
You still haven't figured out why they released the virus, eh?
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Post by Marshall on Apr 4, 2020 0:04:35 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 4, 2020 7:50:50 GMT -5
Do you seriously think I haven't heard all that shit before? At one time it was my f'ing job fer chrissake. I could match you expert for expert with just the opposite. You got anything new to offer? I didn't know you were a Phd geologist and paleontologist too. I still know you don't have a clue .
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Post by james on Apr 4, 2020 8:20:03 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on Apr 4, 2020 8:38:03 GMT -5
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Apr 4, 2020 8:48:01 GMT -5
Argueing about whether the economy should have been shut down is moot ar this point. And no one can snap their fingers and restart it, no one is getting on a plane and traveling to Hawaii or Europe next week. Very few people are buying new vehicles. Nordstrom is closed. All the Airstream rallies and Caravans have been canceled for the spring/summer.
I agree with John/Peter/Jeff, that this is real trouble. I just don’t think there is anything anyone can do about it at this point.
Mike
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Post by factorychef on Apr 4, 2020 9:07:09 GMT -5
I can, stay home and away from people.
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 4, 2020 9:35:04 GMT -5
He's right. Assholes hype an unproven (and largely unprovable) theory for largely political reasons. Deplorables with some actual knowledge of how the world actually works say, "but doing that will kill a lot of people". Useless shits with no other marketable skills write opinion pieces in "Wired" declaring that those folks are stupid. Politicians sensing no risk and the possibility of political gain hop on the bandwagon and make it law. Elites bleat out their support knowing full well that they won't be the ones dying. And when it's over, nobody will actually count the cost. Because all the ones who objected will be dead. And dead people can't speak. Very true.
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Post by dradtke on Apr 4, 2020 9:41:59 GMT -5
I'm good with that. And a little ginger beer.
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