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Post by jdd2 on Apr 15, 2020 18:25:17 GMT -5
I wonder if pigs or birds blame humans for the flu.
Like "get these friggin flumans off the planet."
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Post by Marshall on Apr 15, 2020 18:26:44 GMT -5
They're trying.
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Post by epaul on Apr 15, 2020 18:41:56 GMT -5
I don't think it is entirely accurate to refer to the Major as a racist for remarking on the role China's illegal Wet Markets appear to play (strongly) in the global flu trade.
(I will point out that I was just repeating the Major's charge for entirely innocent purposes, I myself hold no such racist viewpoints).
I do think China should enforce its rules regarding Wet Markets and the eating of endangered species and the grinding up of their various body parts for "medicinal purposes". But that is only because I believe it is good for a society to follow the laws they chose to establish for public safety, not because I think there are some globally harmful practices based only on superstition and ignorance in that nation of a billion plus that appear to be directly related to origin and transmission of many flu viruses.
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Post by epaul on Apr 15, 2020 18:47:55 GMT -5
The origin of the so called "Spanish Flu" will never be solved. At this far distant point, politics and bias play as prominent a role as science. There is reasonable, if not conclusive, evidence available for the most likely if quite general origin point of recent and current flues. But establishing the origin point of a flu that occurred over a hundred years ago, nope. Won't happen.
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Post by epaul on Apr 15, 2020 18:53:54 GMT -5
And in an even further display of my fair and balanced views on this matter, I will point that fat slow squirrels are now extinct in Indiana, only the quick and nimble remain. I think we all know the reason for this.
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Apr 15, 2020 18:58:03 GMT -5
The origin of the so called "Spanish Flu" will never be solved. Thankfully, however, the origins of the so called “Spanish Fandango" are now common knowledge. I have an early 19th-c. classical guitar textbook with the first score publication—in open G, of all things—proving that what goes around comes around. You’re welcome.
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Post by patrick on Apr 15, 2020 19:12:10 GMT -5
And in an even further display of my fair and balanced views on this matter, I will point that fat slow squirrels are now extinct in Indiana, only the quick and nimble remain. I think we all know the reason for this. That's too bad. I've had squirrel. Tasty.
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Post by epaul on Apr 15, 2020 19:25:21 GMT -5
Patrick and James have listed fair and compelling reasons for following established protocols when referring to flues. I guess for me, Trump's decision to start calling it the Chinese flu is reason enough for me to stop. His constant, non-stop, pervasive and irritating as fuck blame shifting and credit taking has just wore me out to the marrow of my bones. I can't stand it.
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Post by Chesapeake on Apr 15, 2020 20:09:16 GMT -5
I don't think it is entirely accurate to refer to the Major as a racist for remarking on the role China's illegal Wet Markets appear to play (strongly) in the global flu trade. (I will point out that I was just repeating the Major's charge for entirely innocent purposes, I myself hold no such racist viewpoints). I do think China should enforce its rules regarding Wet Markets and the eating of endangered species and the grinding up of their various body parts for "medicinal purposes". But that is only because I believe it is good for a society to follow the laws they chose to establish for public safety, not because I think there are some globally harmful practices based only on superstition and ignorance in that nation of a billion plus that appear to be directly related to origin and transmission of many flu viruses. Conspiracy theory alert: I'm not at all convinced that this pandemic isn't the result of a leak, I would assume inadvertent, from the mega-biological weapons research lab the government maintains in Wuhan. The "wet market" origin story strikes me as a Chinese attempt to shift attention away from the activities of the lab and its associates, activities that are banned under international agreements, but long have been publicly verified by U.S. intelligence. The characteristics that we know about the virus, such as its easy transmission, high infection rate, and now possibly its ability to mutate in such a way that recovery from the illness does not equal future immunity, strkes me as a textbook example of an engineered microbe. I find it very suspicious that media trying to report on the origins in China now have been required to obtain government permission, and the whole subject has been put under the management of an army general.
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Post by TKennedy on Apr 15, 2020 20:14:56 GMT -5
That question was asked by a Fox News reporter at today’s presser and Trump declined to answer it. Said it was something he couldn’t talk about. That is a big deal for him indicating there may be some truth to the story.
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Post by Chesapeake on Apr 15, 2020 20:22:49 GMT -5
That question was asked by a Fox News reporter at today’s presser and Trump declined to answer it. Said it was something he couldn’t talk about. That is a big deal for him indicating there may be some truth to the story. I didn't see the presser, but I could understand Trump's unease about it if he has intelligence verifying this theory. I'm guessing it would set off calls to go to war with China, among other complications. So, hell, let's just blame the whole thing on WHO.
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Post by John B on Apr 15, 2020 20:27:49 GMT -5
"Who's at fault?"
Yes, WHO."
"Who do you mean?"
"Yes, I mean WHO."
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Post by jdd2 on Apr 15, 2020 20:36:52 GMT -5
WHO/china delayed and didn't raise the alarm for six days.
Trump waited/delayed six weeks.
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Apr 15, 2020 20:56:46 GMT -5
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 15, 2020 21:10:24 GMT -5
I never had a problem with the term "Chinese virus" being racist. It isn't. I have a problem with the term being used to cause needless friction with the government of a third of the world's population.
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Post by majorminor on Apr 15, 2020 22:01:36 GMT -5
I don't think it is entirely accurate to refer to the Major as a racist for remarking on the role China's illegal Wet Markets appear to play (strongly) in the global flu trade. (I will point out that I was just repeating the Major's charge for entirely innocent purposes, I myself hold no such racist viewpoints). Some of my best friends are Norwegian
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 15, 2020 22:15:03 GMT -5
WASHINGTON—In a very serious and damning new report published Wednesday, a government watchdog group has found that, as early as January, White House officials failed to heed repeated warnings of impending doom that arrived via four skeletal horsemen galloping through the sky. “On Jan. 3, the Trump administration received its first notification that a quartet of ghostly riders had barreled out of the endless night—auguring death, despair, and a great cataclysm upon the earth—but the president did not begin to take the threat seriously until mid-March,” said Douglas Reisenthaler of the nonpartisan Institute for Federal Policy, a co-author of the report compiled from interviews with sources who asked to remain anonymous because they were not authorized to discuss torrents of blood raining from the Oval Office ceiling and flooding the West Wing. “For 10 full weeks, during which the White House could have been using the vast resources at its disposal to prepare for the final battle between good and evil, officials instead chose to downplay the coming apocalypse, minimizing omens such as the sudden rupture of the moon, which unleashed the black, inky trail of crows that continues to circle the Washington Monument. How many countless souls could have been saved from the dark ravages of hell simply by alerting the public that a beast with seven heads and 10 horns had emerged from the sea?” Asked about the report, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany replied that the ominous sound of seven trumpets was being heard all the time, and no one could have known these were the seven trumpets that would herald the 1,000-year reign of Satan on earth.
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Post by epaul on Apr 15, 2020 22:18:57 GMT -5
I am certain the WHO had to butter up the butts of China's leaders in order to gain access. China's leaders are as sensitive to criticism as Trump. In order to get anywhere with either, praise is required and criticism must be absolutely avoided at all costs.
The WHO had to navigate a minefield in order to gain, and keep, the needed access to China and it's flu data. What the record reveals isn't WHO neglect and fawning but WHO need and necessity.
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Post by Marshall on Apr 15, 2020 23:31:47 GMT -5
I never had a problem with the term "Chinese virus" being racist. It isn't. I have a problem with the term being used to cause needless friction with the government of a third of the world's population. Yeah, I'll agree. It's the tone that Mr T uses that shows disgust that bothers me. Just like hes bad mouthed Jina for his entire presidency. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be wary of China. I just don't react well to his grade-school-level rhetorical tone. The virus came from China. But everybody knows he's calling them out when he says it. If you've got evidence? Bring it forward. But name calling is a jr high tactic.
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 16, 2020 5:37:54 GMT -5
I never had a problem with the term "Chinese virus" being racist. It isn't. I have a problem with the term being used to cause needless friction with the government of a third of the world's population. Yeah, I'll agree. It's the tone that Mr T uses that shows disgust that bothers me. Just like hes bad mouthed Jina for his entire presidency. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be wary of China. I just don't react well to his grade-school-level rhetorical tone. The virus came from China. But everybody knows he's calling them out when he says it. If you've got evidence? Bring it forward. But name calling is a jr high tactic. He's the president. It's his job to look out for me (maybe you're too good and don't need it, but most of us aren't). Not whimper and cave like someone like Barry. China's been real successful eating our lunch for the last 20 years and most of us have paid a pretty high price (again, you might be one of the elite who's made bank instead). It ain't a f'ing junior high tactic if it works.
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