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Post by AlanC on Apr 27, 2020 15:25:50 GMT -5
My son-in-law said their company had 43,000 employees in institutional food service. 38,000 had to be furlowed. They get their 90 days unemployment benefit. And the company is picking up all their health insurance. But Geeeze ! This thriving business has, all of a sudden, ZERO income. Management is scrambling coming up with contingency plans for all sorts of scenarios to what and when and how things might open up. Scary. Well, let's hope that the estimate for the vaccine is on the short side- a mere 5 years instead of 10.
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COVID 19
Apr 27, 2020 18:04:25 GMT -5
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Post by TKennedy on Apr 27, 2020 18:04:25 GMT -5
Another casualty of the virus in New York.
New York City doctor who treated coronavirus patients dies by suicide From CNN's Taylor Romine A New York City emergency room doctor who recovered from Covid-19 and continued to treat coronavirus patients has died by suicide, her father confirmed to CNN.
Dr. Lorna Breen died Sunday morning in Charlottesville, Virginia, her father, Philip Breen, said. She was 49.
“She died a hero,” her father said. “She was in the trenches, she was a hero.” Breen worked in the emergency department in the Columbia University Irving Medical Center and New York-Presbyterian hospital system. She had been on the frontlines for weeks handling the onslaught of cases, her father said.
"She went down in the trenches and was killed by the enemy on the frontline," her father said. "She loved New York and wouldn't hear about living anywhere else. She loved her coworkers and did what she could for them."
Her father, a retired trauma surgeon, said they would speak frequently about work. Lorna told her father that people at work were putting in 18 hour days and sleeping in the hallways, and that the ambulances couldn't even get in because it was so busy.
She got Covid-19 and took a week and a half off to recover but when she went back to work, she couldn't even last a 12-hour shift, her father said. She felt like she had to return to work to help her colleagues, he added.
“Words cannot convey the sense of loss we feel today,” the hospital said in a statement. “Dr. Breen is a hero who brought the highest ideals of medicine to the challenging front lines of the emergency department. Our focus today is to provide support to her family, friends, and colleagues as they cope with this news during what is already an extraordinarily difficult time.”
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Apr 27, 2020 18:12:46 GMT -5
^^^That is one of the worst stories I’ve seen coming out of this Corona mess, Terry, and that’s saying something. Absolutely heartbreaking.
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Apr 27, 2020 18:15:51 GMT -5
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Post by TKennedy on Apr 27, 2020 18:15:51 GMT -5
It brought me to tears but I can understand how it could happen to a conscientious physician that didn’t feel they did enough or possibly felt they did something wrong.
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Post by Marshall on Apr 27, 2020 19:36:14 GMT -5
sad
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 27, 2020 20:23:09 GMT -5
That's moving.
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Post by jdd2 on Apr 27, 2020 20:23:11 GMT -5
Something I read a bit earlier:
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 27, 2020 20:26:53 GMT -5
I got confirmation tonight that my younger daughter, who works at Lawrence-Livermore, is now working on COVID research. My main reaction is pride that she's doing something that matters (although everything she does there matters). My secondary reaction is that working on that subject enhances her job security, which she wasn't worried about but I was. My worrying is a father's job.
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Post by jdd2 on Apr 28, 2020 2:28:21 GMT -5
Bloomberg:
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Post by theevan on Apr 28, 2020 4:25:06 GMT -5
Slight easing begins in Louisiana Friday. Shelter-in-place extended to May 15. Al-fresco dining, with restrictions, will be permitted, as well as sidewalk sales, even at malls.
Which, of course,makes no sense. While "essential" businesses (and I agree they are essential) are having banner sales, local businesses are dying. So, Sam's, Costco, Lowe's, Home Depot, supermarkets, builder centers, dollar stores are jammed, lines outside the door. Meanwhile, the local enterprises are dying. MAKES NO SENSE. They could all be open with the same "safe-space" practices and there would be NO difference.
There is zero consistency to all this, and I fear the outcome is the worst possible thing for community health.
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Post by millring on Apr 28, 2020 5:25:07 GMT -5
Bloomberg: especially because we locked down instead of allowing herd immunity to develop. It seems that the people who matter still believe: 1) not that we flatten the curve for a time to allow the hospitals to not get overrun, but that we stay in lockdown until there is a vaccine 2) that most people who contract the virus will be hospitalized. 3) that most people who contract the virus will die. 4) that perfectly healthy people who contract the virus will die. 5) that anyone who disagrees with 1-4 is callous and merely wishing to save their 401K wealth and doesn't understand that everyone is dying. And yes, I'm more than a little bitter. Back on page 40 or so, I was disagreed with because I even suggested that at that time what we were doing was more costly than was the virus at that point. So vested in the narrative that we were saving the world from the virus, my words were taken wrong and mischaracterized even back then. We were never going to ride this out. We ended up with a healthcare policy based not on Chinese virus but on Chinese robbers.
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Post by Marshall on Apr 28, 2020 8:20:16 GMT -5
COME ON, GLOBAL WARMING !
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Post by Marshall on Apr 28, 2020 8:25:58 GMT -5
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Post by james on Apr 28, 2020 8:46:41 GMT -5
especially because we locked down instead of allowing herd immunity to develop. It seems that the people who matter still believe: 1) not that we flatten the curve for a time to allow the hospitals to not get overrun, but that we stay in lockdown until there is a vaccine 2) that most people who contract the virus will be hospitalized. 3) that most people who contract the virus will die. 4) that perfectly healthy people who contract the virus will die. 5) that anyone who disagrees with 1-4 is callous and merely wishing to save their 401K wealth and doesn't understand that everyone is dying. And yes, I'm more than a little bitter. Back on page 40 or so, I was disagreed with because I even suggested that at that time what we were doing was more costly than was the virus at that point. So vested in the narrative that we were saving the world from the virus, my words were taken wrong and mischaracterized even back then. We were never going to ride this out. We ended up with a healthcare policy based not on Chinese virus but on Chinese robbers. I don't think that "the people who matter" (?) believe quite what you say they do.
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 28, 2020 9:51:50 GMT -5
I've read confusing and seemingly conflicting reports about whether those who recover from the virus acquire immunity. Does anyone have a sense on where that question stands at the moment?
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Post by brucemacneill on Apr 28, 2020 10:32:51 GMT -5
I've read confusing and seemingly conflicting reports about whether those who recover from the virus acquire immunity. Does anyone have a sense on where that question stands at the moment? It stands as an unknown pending more information. That it doesn't give immunity is from the Chinese report. Our folks haven't made a decision yet.
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 28, 2020 10:43:18 GMT -5
Thanks, Bruce. Maybe that's why I was confused.
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Post by millring on Apr 28, 2020 10:55:08 GMT -5
If it doesn't render immunity, doesn't that also imply, then, that a vaccine is equally impossible? Isn't that the way vaccines work?
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Post by brucemacneill on Apr 28, 2020 11:00:19 GMT -5
If it doesn't render immunity, doesn't that also imply, then, that a vaccine is equally impossible? Isn't that the way vaccines work? Antibodies from having had the virus is one way to make a vaccine and if they don't convey immunity yes it won't work but there are other ways of attacking the virus chemically that might work so there are several possible vaccines being tested. Keep hope alive. On the up side, we know a lot more about vaccines and microbiology now than Salk knew about polio.
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Post by epaul on Apr 28, 2020 11:34:34 GMT -5
These studies are early snapshots. Pieces of a puzzle that may or may not fit the picture as it emerges. At this point, read but don't subscribe, rent but don't buy.
Antibody test kits are far from a finished deal. Accuracy is suspect and failure rates are high. Immunity? We are one click above a guess. Early studies measuring antibodies and immunity are just that, early... and plagued with the uncertainty and confusion early caries. This is a ballgame. The first inning is just that. And where are we now? Top of the third? Or still in the second?
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