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Post by james on Jan 11, 2022 9:14:26 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 11, 2022 9:26:12 GMT -5
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Post by james on Jan 11, 2022 9:33:59 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on Jan 11, 2022 9:38:30 GMT -5
I do like the Beyonce photo. |
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 11, 2022 9:53:33 GMT -5
Again, the media. So what? |
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Post by epaul on Jan 11, 2022 11:13:04 GMT -5
Director Walensky clearly was referring to present day observations concerning Omnicron fatalities. Present day. Omicron. She said 75% of the Omnicron fatalities, to date, have been associated with those possessing 4 or more comorbidities.
You, Peter, misquoted her and misrepresented what she clearly said making appear as if she had said 75% of all Covid deaths, all Covid deaths, from day one to the present have been among those with 4 or more comorbidities, then, based on this distorted misrepresentation of her words, you go on to make the completely specious claim that of the 800,000 or so Covid deaths in this country, only 200,000 were due to Covid.
You can make any claim you want, but you cannot change and misrepresent another person's words to substantiate it. Well, you can, because you have.
Once can be a mistake. To continue to double down on your false claim that you represented her words truthfully after it's clear that you haven't is something more than a mistake. Something more than simple obtuseness.
You can make up any crap you want, but you cannot continue to claim that you used Director Walensky's words accurately, fairly, or honestly. Well, again, you can, because you have continued to do so.
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Post by epaul on Jan 11, 2022 11:37:26 GMT -5
As for the present day, if the Omnicron observations made by Director Walensky and many others hold up and Omnicron continues to prove to be a substantially milder yet more easily spread Covid variant that is apparently displacing older more virulent variants, yes, that will clearly have implications on recommendations, policy and behavior. It already has.
And, if nothing appears on the horizon to change the direction the understanding of the Omnicron variant appears to be headed, then the Covid discussion will transition from how to manage a pandemic to how to transition to endemic status. I suspect that discussion is underway at the CDC. I know it is underway at the Hobo Haus. And as the Maki Boys continue point out in these discussions, do what works, but don't forget about us fat guys with a keg full of morbidities in the process.
Covid likely isn't done mutating, but there is a very realistic hope that it will follow the path of earlier corona viruses and stabilize into something similar to other colds that nettle but don't disable. And Omnicron, as currently understood, offers support for this hope.
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 11, 2022 11:44:46 GMT -5
OK, genius, can we stop the panic porn yet?
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Post by epaul on Jan 11, 2022 11:59:23 GMT -5
As for what CDC Director Walensky said, the context matters. She wasn't addressing a conference of epidemiologists in science speak, she was on "Good Morning, America". Her words likely were intended to offer reassurance and reasonable perspective to a general lay audience that can probably use a measure of both in this rapidly changing swirl of information and misinformation that is Covid.
Part of her message may have been [and this is me inserting myself and my speculative interpretations] that this current wave of Omnicron apparently is not going to be that bad for most of you, so don't get over-wrought and, for heaven's sake, don't pour into already over-crowded emergency rooms at the first sniffle. [me again] If it just feels like a cold, treat it like one. And get one of those finger oxygen sensors. If it starts to read low 90s, pay attention. If it continues to drop and gets darn close to 90, get to the hospital. {I am not a doctor, but I've watched General Hospital.}
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Post by epaul on Jan 11, 2022 12:02:57 GMT -5
Part of going forward is avoiding thumping your chest over the parts you got right and stubbornly defending the parts you got wrong.
This is general advice that is usually ignored.
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 11, 2022 12:16:12 GMT -5
Feel better?
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Post by epaul on Jan 11, 2022 12:23:50 GMT -5
It was just a cold.
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Post by gbacklin on Jan 11, 2022 12:34:34 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 11, 2022 13:54:37 GMT -5
So has the CDC ever given the info on the same question (we now know they have it) for any of the other variants?
That might answer a lot.
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Post by t-bob on Jan 11, 2022 20:06:09 GMT -5
"In Marin County now almost everybody is so nervous about the Omicron variant Covid. They’re almost isolation. It got almost better and then it got worse…… Omicron. We were almost no masks…. late year 2021. If you talk to somebody and you’re about six feet…… if you move your mask a little bit….. a person get nervous they’ll actually get three steps for ten feet….. This is why people get anxious death….. too much paranoid …….. I tell people 'six feet is fine'." by Tbob
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This from the New York Times this morning about Omicron after an article comparing the infection and hospitalization curves of people with and without vaccines.
I've seen some of it.
You can find it but I don't have the NYT account.
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Post by Cornflake on Jan 11, 2022 21:03:42 GMT -5
"COVID threads seem to be kind of like a bad trip with the disease. Starts fairly gently, escalates to a crises, and slowly resolves over 13 or 14 pages sometimes leaving long term or permanent residuals."
We don't all come here for the same reason. Some people enjoy an argument. Some don't. Those that enjoy it can argue. Those that don't can skip the arguments and discuss things. Unfortunately, COVID is a major factor in our lives, our economy and everything else at the moment. I can't see shying away from discussing it because fireworks sometimes ensue.
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Post by TKennedy on Jan 11, 2022 22:26:33 GMT -5
You are right of course Flake. I was being a bit facetious. I especially appreciate Shannon’s posts.
We are bracing for Omicron as it makes it’s way from the Cities. It’s starting to ramp up. Right now the hospital is in a slight reprieve but our little county has seen seven deaths the last two weeks from the previous big surge. Younger age group than the first time around. Some died after being transferred elsewhere.
I hope most of the cases will not require hospitalization.
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Post by Cornflake on Jan 11, 2022 22:49:45 GMT -5
Lots of hospital systems are in big trouble, Terry, including ours. A lot of those people are pretty frazzled after two years of this.
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Post by james on Jan 11, 2022 22:51:44 GMT -5
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Jan 11, 2022 23:00:32 GMT -5
A Facebook post from my RN granddaughter today:
My soul is so thankful for today. In a time where myself and all my coworkers have felt incredibly burnt out as we trudge through our 3rd major COVID surge, intubating, paralyzing, proning patients, and titrating medications, I needed today.
As I took care of my patient today, who I took care of a couple weeks ago, I caught a glimpse of hope and light. He has been with us for over a month and went through the whole COVID ICU package listed above, as many of the COVID patients have. He is now trached, more awake, and beginning to understand all that he went through. It has been so great to talk with him over the last two days, even if it is by spending 30 minutes in his room trying to read his lips, learning that the first food he wants when he gets out is pizza and a beer. This is something that has become SO rare. Sadly, when we intubate COVID patients, a vast, vast majority of the time, it is the last time they will know life, and the last time we will hear their voice. Seeing so much death from this virus has trained my mind to equate intubation with a slow, prolonged death sentence. But not intubating them is also almost certainly a death sentence. We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t, which has made this virus so hard to tackle emotionally.
As I explained everything that’s happened to my patient, how great he’s doing, and what his next few months look like, he began to tear up. He profusely thanked my coworkers and I for everything, asking when he can come back and bring us pizza as a thank you. As I was leaving, I told him I probably wouldn’t be back to see him since I have a string of days off and he’ll likely leave the critical care. He teared up again and mouthed, “thank you so much, I hope you have a great life.” And then I let the tears flow because I realized how precious that moment was. I needed that just as much as he did.
After 2 years of bagging bodies almost daily and seeing so few people make it out alive, us healthcare workers are at our limits. We’ve lost a lot of battles, but today…today was a win. And I’ll take that and savor it, knowing that my patient will get to get back to his family for years to come. Knowing that not all the work my coworkers and I do is pointless.
Please get vaccinated. I promise you don’t want the alternative COVID ICU package. But if you don’t, know that we still care about you and will fight for you to give you the best chance at recovery.
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