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Post by brucemacneill on Jan 10, 2023 11:24:50 GMT -5
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Post by Marty on Jan 10, 2023 11:45:36 GMT -5
So my choice is electric or wood burning? Oh! I forgot coal stoves. Vent hoods are common in most kitchens, except mine and I wish I had one.
Electric burners SUCK, can't control the heat fer shit.
No I didn't read the article I'm just being an ass.
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Post by james on Jan 10, 2023 11:46:15 GMT -5
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Post by theevan on Jan 10, 2023 13:46:35 GMT -5
They're wonderful. Require prodigious power. Talk about fine control instantly, yep |
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Post by Dub on Jan 10, 2023 14:30:41 GMT -5
From the linked article. That seems odd to me. In my experience, the homes of poor people are often “ventilated” better than the homes of well-to-do people who’ve sealed up their homes to save energy. On another note, isn’t electrical energy less efficient than direct combustion when providing heat? |
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 10, 2023 15:14:39 GMT -5
From the linked article. That seems odd to me. In my experience, the homes of poor people are often “ventilated” better than the homes of well-to-do people who’ve sealed up their homes to save energy. On another note, isn’t electrical energy less efficient than direct combustion when providing heat? Yep and Yep. Booker and Warren, being full on liberal elites are all in on what's called "environmental justice". It's a theory that's been around for 30 years or so and is baffling to anybody with a brain cell. You see, theoretically poor people are disproportionately harmed by having to live close to work in generally less popular areas close to industrial facilities which happen to be where they can get work which they need to feed themselves. So elites protest to shut down the industrial facilities and the poor go hungry. However, the ever so much smarter elites can afford to live far away from where real work is actually done so they can pat themselves on the back and celebrate with an expensive meal to celebrate their compassion. And yes, electrical systems only transport energy, not release it like burning fossil fuels does. So electricity has no choice but to be lossy compared to fossil fuels. |
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Post by Village Idiot on Jan 10, 2023 18:38:12 GMT -5
There is also evidence linking gas stoves, children and asthma. |
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 10, 2023 18:56:49 GMT -5
There is also evidence linking gas stoves, children and asthma. Not to be snarky but there's a lot of evidence linking life to illness and death. So if you ban gas stoves, etc. based on some non-definitive evidence of potential sickness, how many can freeze to death? |
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Post by brucemacneill on Jan 10, 2023 18:58:28 GMT -5
There is also evidence linking gas stoves, children and asthma. Not to be snarky but there's a lot of evidence linking life to illness and death. So if you ban gas stoves, etc. based on some non-definitive evidence of potential sickness, how many can freeze to death? Last I heard that asthma thing was called fake news. There's no evidence to back it. |
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Post by james on Jan 10, 2023 20:30:41 GMT -5
I am not joining in about the other things. I really like induction hobs though. They have become quite a popular option with members of the live-aboard sailboat community with a lot of solar panels and stuff. That's another story though.
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Post by Dub on Jan 10, 2023 20:46:37 GMT -5
There is also evidence linking gas stoves, children and asthma. I read that in the article James posted. I have no knowledge about this issue, but… There are several generations of Americans who’ve lived through nothing but gas stoves once they supplanted wood and coal. Surely someone would have noticed if the incidence of asthma in children rose significantly. What am I missing? |
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Post by TKennedy on Jan 10, 2023 21:08:46 GMT -5
I had pretty bad asthma as a kid and we had an electric stove so there you have it.
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Post by david on Jan 10, 2023 21:30:41 GMT -5
from "Consumer Reports," October 4, 2022 tests of Gas Ranges:
High Levels of Nitrogen Dioxide
None of our testing revealed dangerous levels of carbon monoxide or particulate matter, nor did oxygen drop to unsafe levels.
But in several tests we recorded elevated levels of carbon dioxide and, even more concerning to Kapoor, nitrogen dioxide, one of the NOx gasses CR measured. Those gases are “more potent with respect to acute toxicity,” she says, making them more likely to cause problems even in the short time frame that people typically take while preparing a meal.
In two instances, we recorded elevated levels of nitrogen dioxide with a single burner set to low. And while using a range hood helped lower levels, in a few tests we still recorded levels that exceeded 1-hour guidelines set by the World Health Organization. And this was the case with both ranges.
In follow-up tests, CR plans to measure emissions from a larger sample of ranges.
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Post by epaul on Jan 10, 2023 21:50:51 GMT -5
There is also evidence linking gas stoves, children and asthma. I read that in the article James posted. I have no knowledge about this issue, but… There are several generations of Americans who’ve lived through nothing but gas stoves once they supplanted wood and coal. Surely someone would have noticed if the incidence of asthma in children rose significantly. What am I missing? If anything, when gas supplanted wood and coal, the incidence of asthma would have decreased as both wood and coal emit more particulates, carbon monoxide (CO), carbon dioxide (CO2), sulfur oxides (SOx), and nitrogen oxides (NOx) than gas does (when they are combusted). Exposure to particulates, SOx and NOx has been linked to the development of some asthma cases, with degree of exposure and duration of exposure being the tell. As to noticing anything, it is unlikely the tracking and diagnosis of asthma cases in the early to mid 1900s was such that it would be able to provide any useful data regarding the transition from wood and coal to gas. Can't notice if we weren't looking. But, of and by itself, undoubtedly the switch to gas would have been a substantial improvement over both wood and coal as regards the development of childhood asthma as it simply burns cleaner. And an electric range is cleanest of all, as in zilch particulates, SOx, and NOx. Asthma, the what and why of it, is a complicated and contentious many-colored ball of wax. |
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Jan 10, 2023 22:27:21 GMT -5
If not for our family's gas range, I would have had to eat cold Vienna sausages and potted meat straight from the can. How healthy would that have been?
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Post by t-bob on Jan 11, 2023 0:24:57 GMT -5
Gas is perfect for cooking a chef - stove burners
You can't do a great sauteed sauce in electric stove/burners
It's OK to have an oven with electric
It's better to have three ovens - wood,gas,electric
But there are some chefs like all-electric kitchens
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 11, 2023 9:13:16 GMT -5
And now, according to the NFPA, fires and deaths from electric cook tops far outpace gas. To the tune of 3-4 times as much.
The Biden regime seems to have stepped up their stepping in shit game recently. If that's even possible.
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Post by epaul on Jan 11, 2023 10:43:32 GMT -5
Thank goodness for my solar-powered microwave. Doesn't work for shit, but if all goes well I should hit 71 by sometime next year.
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Post by majorminor on Jan 11, 2023 11:19:42 GMT -5
There is also evidence linking gas stoves, children and asthma. I read that in the article James posted. I have no knowledge about this issue, but… There are several generations of Americans who’ve lived through nothing but gas stoves once they supplanted wood and coal. Surely someone would have noticed if the incidence of asthma in children rose significantly. What am I missing? You are missing the effects of Cheeto dust and microwave popcorn chemical vapors on a young developing pulmonary system. |
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Post by majorminor on Jan 11, 2023 11:21:41 GMT -5
I've had nothing but a Joe Schmoe grade electric glass top stove for years now and I can cook the hell out of stuff with no issues. What am I missing?
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