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Post by billhammond on May 29, 2024 13:35:04 GMT -5
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Louisiana lawmakers passed a bill Tuesday that could make the state the first to require the Ten Commandments to be displayed in all schools and colleges that receive public funding.
Gov. Jeff Landry, a Republican, still needs to sign the new bill into law for Louisiana to make history as the first state with such a requirement.
The bill, introduced by GOP state Rep. Dodie Horton, states that the text of the Ten Commandments must be printed in classrooms on a poster no smaller than 11 inches by 14 inches and must be "the central focus" of the poster.
Other states, including Texas, South Carolina and Utah, recently attempted to approve similar legislation, according to Axios. Those states began pushing the legislation after Supreme Court rulings in cases like Kennedy v. Bremerton School District suggested a looser interpretation of the Constitution's Establishment Clause, which prohibits state-sponsored religion.
The Louisiana bill, HB 71, was given final approval Tuesday evening, when the state House passed it by a 79-16 vote, with only Democrats voting against the legislation. The Senate passed the bill earlier this month.
Horton said before the House in April that the commandments are the basis of all laws in Louisiana.
"I hope and I pray that Louisiana is the first state to allow moral code to be placed back in the classrooms," she said at the time. "Since I was in kindergarten [at a private school], it was always on the wall. I learned there was a god, and I knew to honor him and his laws."
HB 71 is expected to face legal challenges over First Amendment concerns.
"We learned the Ten commandments when we went to Sunday school," Democrat state Sen. Royce Duplessis previously told WWLTV. "As I said on the Senate floor, if you want your kids to learn the Ten Commandments, you can take them to church."
Civil rights organizations including the American Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU of Louisiana, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, the Freedom from Religion Foundation and the Southern Poverty Law Center previously issued a joint statement criticizing the legislation.
"This bill is unconstitutional," the statement said. "The state may not require public schools to display the Ten Commandments in classrooms. Many faith-based and civil-rights organizations oppose this measure because it violates students' and families' fundamental right to religious freedom."
"Our public schools are not Sunday schools, and students of all faiths—or no faith—should feel welcome in them," the statement added.
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Post by Marty on May 29, 2024 13:44:37 GMT -5
Will they also post the 5 Pillars of Islam?
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Post by Dub on May 29, 2024 14:06:03 GMT -5
Will they also post the 5 Pillars of Islam? No, the only laws these politicians respect are those of Judaism.  |
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on May 29, 2024 15:48:53 GMT -5
Will they also post the 5 Pillars of Islam? No, the only laws these politicians respect are those of Judaism. When can we start stoning adulterers? Mike |
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Post by Russell Letson on May 29, 2024 16:20:02 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, one of those commandments forbids coveting one's neighbor's wife. So if "the commandments are the basis of all laws in Louisiana," I expect Ms Horton to (re?)introduce laws against adultery. And swearing. And dissing one's parents. And worshipping deities other than Yahweh. There's just so much left to do.
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Post by theevan on May 29, 2024 16:49:27 GMT -5
How horrible. Imagine the damage this will do to impressionable children! Let's keep them safe with drag queens and genital mutilation.
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Post by millring on May 29, 2024 17:22:09 GMT -5
American Christianity is on the ropes and this won't help. You have to give people a reason to believe something before you expect them to follow it. If you don't, that's not Christianity.
If it was a moral code I would at least agree that a posting of such would be a good thing. But the 10 Commandments isn't a moral code. The first 5 are a religious imperative. God knows ( <---little irony there) we could stand a common moral code. Heck, that's exactly what DEI is trying to become. We are VERY religious. In the void of the religions that used to restrain us, we haven't gotten less religious. We are "spiritual" and "sciency" and we have moral codes out the wazoo, complete with every social consequence for failing to obey that religions ever used to weild. We're very religious. It's just that Christianity isn't the religion we are.
Well, at least out of the ten we Americans still believe in one of them. Mostly. When it's convenient. We mostly agree on the "don't kill each other" part. Sometimes. When the mood strikes.
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Post by Dub on May 29, 2024 17:36:12 GMT -5
American Christianity is on the ropes and this won't help. You have to give people a reason to believe something before you expect them to follow it. If you don't, that's not Christianity. As I recall reading, Jesus left only two “laws,” love God and love your neighbor. The fifteen, oops, Ten Commandments were Jewish law. My suspicion is that those wanting the Ten Commandments posted in schools might not push it if they thought they were Jewish laws. And don’t forget, for hundreds of years the most common reason for becoming Christian was to avoid being burned at the stake. |
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Post by Marty on May 29, 2024 17:46:45 GMT -5
Will they also post the 5 Pillars of Islam? The Five Pillars of Islam Profession of Faith (shahada). The belief that "There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God" is central to Islam. ... Prayer (salat). Muslims pray facing Mecca five times a day: at dawn, noon, mid-afternoon, sunset, and after dark. ... Alms (zakat). ... Fasting (sawm). ... Pilgrimage (hajj). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 10 Words of Judaism 1. You shall have no other gods but me. 2. You shall not make or worship any idols. 3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. 4. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy. 5. Respect your father and mother. 6. You must not *murder. 7. You must not take someone else’s husband or wife. 8. You must not steal. 9. You must not lie. 10. You must not be envious. *The Torah says murder not kill. David killed Goliath in battle, he did not murder him. |
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Post by theevan on May 29, 2024 18:01:55 GMT -5
American Christianity is on the ropes and this won't help. You have to give people a reason to believe something before you expect them to follow it. If you don't, that's not Christianity. As I recall reading, Jesus left only two “laws,” love God and love your neighbor. The fifteen, oops, Ten Commandments were Jewish law. My suspicion is that those wanting the Ten Commandments posted in schools might not push it if they thought they were Jewish laws. And don’t forget, for hundreds of years the most common reason for becoming Christian was to avoid being burned at the stake. Bingo...Jesus' commandment is love. Love God with all that's in you, and springing from that, love your neighbor as yourself. |
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Post by theevan on May 29, 2024 18:02:29 GMT -5
Will they also post the 5 Pillars of Islam? The Five Pillars of Islam Profession of Faith (shahada). The belief that "There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God" is central to Islam. ... Prayer (salat). Muslims pray facing Mecca five times a day: at dawn, noon, mid-afternoon, sunset, and after dark. ... Alms (zakat). ... Fasting (sawm). ... Pilgrimage (hajj). Most of us could use some fasting, even schoolkids. |
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Post by millring on May 29, 2024 18:02:37 GMT -5
American Christianity is on the ropes and this won't help. You have to give people a reason to believe something before you expect them to follow it. If you don't, that's not Christianity. As I recall reading, Jesus left only two “laws,” love God and love your neighbor. The fifteen, oops, Ten Commandments were Jewish law. My suspicion is that those wanting the Ten Commandments posted in schools might not push it if they thought they were Jewish laws. Maybe the Christians you know are that stupid. I went to a Christian (Evangelical/Fundamentalist -- back in the 60s when those terms both meant something else) elementary school, jr high, and high school. I belonged to a Presbyterian Church in my youth -- the pastor a second generation Princeton grad (and his son, now a theologian in his own right), a Baptist Church (Reformed), a "Bible" Church. I have known literally thousands of people who go by the name "Christian". I am related to scores of them. I can't think of a single one who doesn't understand that the 10 Commandments were given to the Israelites (pre-Jew), nor a single one who would be offended at the thought. And as I recall reading, Jesus didn't give just two commandments. He condensed all law into the two -- making it even more unlikely that a person could qualify as "righteous" by the keeping of it. Condensing it to the "Law of Love" didn't make the moral code easier to adhere to. It made it more difficult. As Jesus said, "You say not to kill, but I say that if you hate a person you have already committed the evil. You say not to commit adultery, but I say that if you lust after your neighbor's wife, you have committed the sin already." That doesn't sound like Jesus letting anyone off the hook. That sounds to me like being hung on an even higher one. I saw this "quote/meme" on facebook yesterday and I automatically and literally burst out laughing.  Orthodox Christianity has always maintained that a just God that is not also merciful OR a merciful God who is not just is heretical. But Bishop Robinson is anything BUT "in real trouble". Quite the opposite. He's telling everyone exactly what they want to hear. That God is not a God of judgement. And the notion that nobody minds if you preach an angry God is so laughable ... well, I already covered that part. |
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Post by Marty on May 29, 2024 18:35:29 GMT -5
The Old Testament books (Torah) were written well before Jesus’ Incarnation, and most of the New Testament books were written by roughly the end of the first century A.D. But the Bible as a whole was not officially compiled until the late fourth century.
The 4th century translation was made from mostly older translations in Latin which the Cardinals could read. But the early ones were translated from Hebrew to Latin and not always accurately.
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Post by Dub on May 29, 2024 18:43:22 GMT -5
I only meant that antisemitism seems espoused largely by people who think of themselves as Christians of some sort and many of those same people might promote posting the Ten Commandments in schools.
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Post by millring on May 29, 2024 18:48:27 GMT -5
I only meant that antisemitism seems espoused largely by people who think of themselves as Christians of some sort and many of those same people might promote posting the Ten Commandments in schools. The only antisemites I've ever known are not, and don't claim to be Christians of any stripe. And they're out in the streets and on university campuses by the thousands cheering on Palestine from the river to the sea. |
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Post by Marshall on May 29, 2024 18:52:03 GMT -5
The 10 Commandments form the basis of many laws here and elsewhere. But I’m not sure “Law” is part of the curriculum of many grade schools.
Personally the “Declaration of Independence” and the “Pledge of Allegiance” are much more central to the education process. “Under God” and all. Put them on display in every classroom in the land. (If they are not already )
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Post by John B on May 29, 2024 19:14:25 GMT -5
I only meant that antisemitism seems espoused largely by people who think of themselves as Christians of some sort and many of those same people might promote posting the Ten Commandments in schools. The only antisemites I've ever known are not, and don't claim to be Christians of any stripe. And they're out in the streets and on university campuses by the thousands cheering on Palestine from the river to the sea. The antisemites I have and do know espouse to be Christians, through and through. |
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Post by david on May 29, 2024 20:16:55 GMT -5
I don't care what your personal beliefs are. You are free to be atheist, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or anything else, but if you are sending your children to a publicly funded school, we need to teach them to believe in God and to be good Christians.
What is unreasonable about that?
If you don't like it, take your funny boat, sail to a new country, and establish your own laws.
King David
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Post by TKennedy on May 29, 2024 20:43:31 GMT -5
The big problem I see with this law is finding wall hangers strong enough. Could be a a real money maker for an entrepreneurial type to corner the market.
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Post by james on May 29, 2024 20:55:36 GMT -5
How horrible. Imagine the damage this will do to impressionable children! Let's keep them safe with drag queens and genital mutilation. This sort of obdurate and culpable ignorance does not sit well with me. |
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