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Post by millring on Aug 23, 2024 11:04:06 GMT -5
Ok, so the great majority of smart, creative people - like artists - would, by their thoughts and personal values, be considered "Liberals" if categorized by today's political metrics? As would, similarly, educated people who chose to study current events and then report on them for a living? The great majority are Liberal in thought and value? Ok, makes sense to me. And you are there. What is, is, I guess. Smart, creative, talented people, like artists and reporters, are Liberal. But, you do want smart, educated, creative people to be able to make their own choices, right? You don't want to establish a quota system? Make half of them pretend to be conservative in order to follow their dream? Or fire 80% of the talented, educated, artists and reporters that are Liberal so their numbers match the few that are conservative? Even steven? Fair by quota, not by talent? Boy, I don't know about that. Best leave it alone. This is the land of opportunity where talent can express and rise. We don't want results, people, to be governed by arbitrary quotas. At least, I don't. It's simply a lament. It's descriptive, not prescriptive. |
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Post by millring on Aug 23, 2024 11:08:10 GMT -5
(though I might like to see the PRINCIPLES of civil rights applied when conservatives are excluded from the opportunity to exhibit in an art fair, or get a book published, or gain entrance to a school or a newsroom.)
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Post by billhammond on Aug 23, 2024 11:11:04 GMT -5
(though I might like to see the PRINCIPLES of civil rights applied when conservatives are excluded from the opportunity to exhibit in an art fair, or get a book published, or gain entrance to a school or a newsroom.) So newsrooms exclude conservatives, as opposed to attracting liberals? Not in my 50 years of experience. |
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Post by millring on Aug 23, 2024 11:40:43 GMT -5
(though I might like to see the PRINCIPLES of civil rights applied when conservatives are excluded from the opportunity to exhibit in an art fair, or get a book published, or gain entrance to a school or a newsroom.) Actually, on further thought, no, I really don't. Forcing something like that will backfire, no matter the intent. We already know that. It's probably much better to remain split and compete for the most truthful characterization of events, and continue to chip away at false notions of objectivity. |
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Post by millring on Aug 23, 2024 11:42:36 GMT -5
Unless you are in HR, I'm guessing you couldn't be aware of who was rejected.
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Post by Russell Letson on Aug 23, 2024 12:03:38 GMT -5
A gentle suggestion that unless you're inside the profession and its workplaces, you couldn't be aware of the processes by which rejection happens. Then there are the cultural processes that drive various people toward and away from various jobs.
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Post by epaul on Aug 23, 2024 13:19:47 GMT -5
There is a lot of ground being covered here. As I am limited, I will limit myself to two sincere, non-teasing, comments:
1. I do not believe there is more "art" to be found in Pop music than in Country music. Same amount of art in both. And Musical Theater blows both Pop and Country out of the water ten times ten over in terms of both art and creativity. Bock and Harnick, Frank Loesser, Webber and Rice, Lerner and Loewe... There is a Fab Four! Or seven depending on how you reckon this stuff.
2. I just forgot what 2 was.
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Post by epaul on Aug 23, 2024 13:24:35 GMT -5
Oh, 2. There is indeed much intolerance to be found among the Righteous. And great Righteousness is found in both the Left and the Right, on Campus and Church, in Art and Critic... but not in the farm fields and small town bars of this Great Nation! Seek wisdom there.
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Post by millring on Aug 23, 2024 13:29:30 GMT -5
There is a lot of ground being covered here. As I am limited, I will limit myself to two sincere, non-teasing, comments: 1. I do not believe there is more "art" to be found in Pop music than in Country music. Same amount of art in both. And Musical Theater blows both Pop and Country out of the water ten times ten over in terms of both art and creativity. Bock and Harnick, Frank Loesser, Webber and Rice, Lerner and Loewe... There is a Fab Four! Or seven depending on how you reckon this stuff. 2. I just forgot what 2 was. True, but there is a huge cultural difference, and country most definitely carries with it the stigma of low IQ. While Pop stars are the ginchiest. |
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Post by epaul on Aug 23, 2024 13:37:37 GMT -5
True, but there is a huge cultural difference, and country most definitely carries with it the stigma of low IQ. While Pop stars are the ginchiest. That depends on who you ask. Country is wholesome and upright while Pop carries the stigma of drug addled and body odor. To quote a great country song, "You're looking for love in all the wrong places." |
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Post by Cornflake on Aug 23, 2024 13:47:36 GMT -5
"True, but there is a huge cultural difference, and country most definitely carries with it the stigma of low IQ."
Who decides to impose these stigmas? You seem to think a lot of us sit around sorting groups of people into hierarchies and sneering at those below us. I don't think most of us think like that.
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Post by epaul on Aug 23, 2024 13:59:50 GMT -5
Oh, stuff it, egg head!
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Post by Cornflake on Aug 23, 2024 14:09:54 GMT -5
Eat my shorts, shitkicker.
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Post by millring on Aug 23, 2024 14:11:56 GMT -5
Nope. Culture does that fine by itself. And if you don't see that stigma, well, I imagine you the only one in America who doesn't.
Hee Haw built a TV empire on it.
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Post by billhammond on Aug 23, 2024 14:40:47 GMT -5
Hee Haw built a TV empire on it. "Hee-Haw" was an empire?  |
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Post by millring on Aug 23, 2024 14:42:43 GMT -5
Hee Haw built a TV empire on it. "Hee-Haw" was an empire? Dial BR549 and find out for yourself. |
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Post by epaul on Aug 23, 2024 14:43:43 GMT -5
There are always those who stigmatize. Hee Haw appealed to a culture so comfortable with itself it enjoyed lampooning the stigmas of others by playing freely with their, um, stigmatizing.
I spent most of my bachelor life on the farm, and I had the confidence and the comfort with myself and who and what I was, that come Saturday night, I thoroughly enjoyed watching Hee Haw, and then, dressing up as a woman and heading into town. No stigmas attached or concerned with. Stigmas are for stigmatizers.
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Post by paleo on Aug 23, 2024 14:56:27 GMT -5
Boy, copyright infringement brings back some memories.
In a former life, I did technical training, using books that I had written and copyrighted.
Then one day an individual from a large international company decided that since I had used my material in a training class, that they had paid for, they owned my material.
She falsely claimed that they had paid me to develop the material specifically for them, which was untrue.
It took about 9 months to get it straightened out. They agreed they didn't own the material and I did own it. They gave me a document signed by their legal department saying that.
It turned out good, the gal causing the problem left the company in search of greener pastures and I maintained a long healthy working relationship with the company.
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Aug 23, 2024 15:25:25 GMT -5
Never having done it, I am guessing that is quite difficult to create an art, musical, or literary work of lasting value and that one might do so only a limited number of times in a lifetime. Not everyone can do it even once. Copyright protects the creator and subsequent owners of that that work from unauthorized use.
More mundane, more easily to replicate work, even that requiring skill doesn't get such protection. That's a good thing, I think. I am glad I don't have to send my ophthalmologist $.50 every time I see something clearly or my orthopedic surgeon a dollar for every day my knee holds up. I am certain that anyone who has had hemorrhoid surgery is delighted not to have to send their proctologist $5 for each successful crap.😃
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Post by Dub on Aug 23, 2024 15:33:59 GMT -5
There are always those who stigmatize. Hee Haw appealed to a culture so comfortable with itself it enjoyed lampooning the stigmas of others by playing freely with their, um, stigmas. I spent most of my bachelor life on the farm, and I had the confidence and the comfort with myself and who and what I was, that come Saturday night, I thoroughly enjoyed watching Hee Haw, and later, dressing up as a woman and heading into town. No stigmas attached or concerned with. Stigmas are for stigmatizers. I loved Hee Haw and still do. I can watch those corny jokes over and over and the music is still great. I was raised in Iowa’s largest city in a family where country music was never heard. We had both kinds of music, classical and opera. No folk music, no country music, no blues (unless 101 String Plays the Blues counts). All the arts in our home, growing up, were hoity-toity. And, until 1960, my parents voted Republican. Most of my 1950s Rock ‘n’ Roll heroes transitioned into the country genre when “rock” pushed out rock ‘n’ roll. |
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