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Post by Marshall on Aug 23, 2024 20:23:19 GMT -5
"True, but there is a huge cultural difference, and country most definitely carries with it the stigma of low IQ." Who decides to impose these stigmas? You seem to think a lot of us sit around sorting groups of people into hierarchies and sneering at those below us. I don't think most of us think like that.  **sneer** |
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Post by Cornflake on Sept 2, 2024 22:04:46 GMT -5
Francis Scott Key Estate Sends Cease-And-Desist To Trump For Playing ‘Star-Spangled Banner’ At Rally
(The Onion)
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Post by aquaduct on Sept 3, 2024 8:58:25 GMT -5
Boy, just reading through this nonsense and remembering a decade ago where Sidhe and others were arguing that the PROs had gotten out of hand and were destroying the music industry. When you go pee in a music venue, the PROs can use a cell phone app to determine the tune you're humming and bill the venue for use of the song.
And then, of course, send the money to the Dixie Chicks.
Because, you know, they need it.
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Post by howard lee on Sept 3, 2024 9:06:08 GMT -5
Boy, just reading through this nonsense and remembering a decade ago where Sidhe and others were arguing that the PROs had gotten out of hand and were destroying the music industry. When you go pee in a music venue, the PROs can use a cell phone app to determine the tune you're humming and bill the venue for use of the song. And then, of course, send the money to the Dixie Chicks. Because, you know, they need it.
They have dropped the word "Dixie" from their band name. They are now known as "The Chicks."
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Post by james on Sept 3, 2024 13:35:40 GMT -5
IANAL but I looked into the DMCA and its exceptions and exemptions a bit and it seems that humming a tune while peeing at a venue is not likely to enrich The Chicks. In court today - "Donald Trump Has to Stop Playing ‘Hold On, I’m Coming’ at Rallies, Judge RulesThe estate of the song's co-writer, Isaac Hayes, secured a preliminary injunction after suing the former president's campaign over allegedly unauthorized uses of the song."www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/donald-trump-ordered-stop-hold-on-im-coming-rallies-1235094200/
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Post by howard lee on Sept 3, 2024 16:39:46 GMT -5
IANAL but I looked into the DMCA and its exceptions and exemptions a bit and it seems that humming a tune while peeing at a venue is not likely to enrich The Chicks. In court today - "Donald Trump Has to Stop Playing ‘Hold On, I’m Coming’ at Rallies, Judge RulesThe estate of the song's co-writer, Isaac Hayes, secured a preliminary injunction after suing the former president's campaign over allegedly unauthorized uses of the song."www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/donald-trump-ordered-stop-hold-on-im-coming-rallies-1235094200/
Good luck collecting if they win this lawsuit.
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Post by aquaduct on Sept 3, 2024 19:43:04 GMT -5
Boy, just reading through this nonsense and remembering a decade ago where Sidhe and others were arguing that the PROs had gotten out of hand and were destroying the music industry. When you go pee in a music venue, the PROs can use a cell phone app to determine the tune you're humming and bill the venue for use of the song. And then, of course, send the money to the Dixie Chicks. Because, you know, they need it. They have dropped the word "Dixie" from their band name. They are now known as "The Chicks."
Do they now only take half the proceeds from any open mic venue where a copyrighted song is played? |
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Post by aquaduct on Sept 3, 2024 19:45:15 GMT -5
IANAL but I looked into the DMCA and its exceptions and exemptions a bit and it seems that humming a tune while peeing at a venue is not likely to enrich The Chicks. Well certainly not now that venues stopped letting performers play covers so they don't get billed. |
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Post by howard lee on Sept 3, 2024 19:47:01 GMT -5
They have dropped the word "Dixie" from their band name. They are now known as "The Chicks."
Do they now only take half the proceeds from any open mic venue where a copyrighted song is played?
Knowing what I know about how lawyers operate, I'd say that's a negative.
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Post by Marshall on Sept 4, 2024 7:49:34 GMT -5
There are a lot of open mics around here. And 90% of what is played are covers. So, the Pros seem to be in retreat, as it pertains to open mics. Either that, or most venues have found work-arounds.
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Post by Russell Letson on Sept 4, 2024 8:32:14 GMT -5
We haven't had to wrangle with the PROs for a while (since our founder made peace with SESAC), but my strong impression of their business model is that it works like route sales--that is, enforcement is run by regional reps working on something like commission, with the incentive structure implied by that model. If I'm right, then enforcement might not be evenly distributed.
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Post by Dub on Sept 4, 2024 9:25:23 GMT -5
There are a lot of open mics around here. And 90% of what is played are covers. So, the Pros seem to be in retreat, as it pertains to open mics. Either that, or most venues have found work-arounds. I’m guessing that the venues just pay the PROs. Either that or they pay “the outfit” for protection. If music is a significant customer draw, they’re definitely paying. |
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Sept 4, 2024 9:54:06 GMT -5
Part of my business model is to solicit payment to NOT play songs. This supplements the income I get from guitar companies for never being seen holding one of their guitars and the bodybuilding gyms that pay me not to wear their shirts.
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Post by Cornflake on Sept 4, 2024 9:59:37 GMT -5
"I’m guessing that the venues just pay the PROs. Either that or they pay “the outfit” for protection. If music is a significant customer draw, they’re definitely paying."
My limited experience working with venues around here is that they pay the PROs.
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Post by coachdoc on Sept 6, 2024 9:46:02 GMT -5
We haven't had to wrangle with the PROs for a while (since our founder made peace with SESAC), but my strong impression of their business model is that it works like route sales--that is, enforcement is run by regional reps working on something like commission, with the incentive structure implied by that model. If I'm right, then enforcement might not be evenly distributed. I remember playing covers at a small coffeehouse and an ASCAPor BMI rep came in and threatened to shut it down if we didn’t pay royalties. We decided to make our evenings originals only and he said the venue still had to pay royalties. Luckily the fellow who owned the venue agreed to pay so we were able to continue. But it was rattling to have this officious official come in and rattle his legalese at us. Luckily it amounted to not much. |
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Post by Russell Letson on Sept 6, 2024 9:59:36 GMT -5
Actually, the venue owner, not the performer, is responsible for PRO fees. Though PRO agents are famous for bullying tactics, including flat denials that anyone can present an originals/PD-only program. Part of the wrangle the that the Folk Society founder (and venue owner) had with SESAC was over the agent's refusal to provide a list of exactly what material they represent. He was already paying ASCAP and BMI, and his position was, if we present any SESAC material, OK, otherwise piss off. The SESAC rep's position seemed to be "We've got Dylan, so pay up." The GCFS response was a no-Dylan policy--it was right in our artist contracts, reinforced by house manager's reminders on concert nights. (That was often one of my jobs.) Oh, and SESAC has Neil Diamond, so no "Sweet Caroline," either.
It was not unknown for a folk venue to have a "Originals only" sign on stage. An reps still insisted that all-originals programming was an impossibility and sent in people to watch for represented material and then bully the venue owners into signing up.
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Post by howard lee on Sept 6, 2024 11:08:25 GMT -5
"Oh, and SESAC has Neal Diamond, so no 'Sweet Caroline,' either."
No tragedy there.
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Post by Dub on Sept 6, 2024 11:21:25 GMT -5
"Oh, and SESAC has Neal Diamond, so no 'Sweet Caroline,' either." No tragedy there.
Maybe not, but don’t forget that Neal Diamond also wrote I’m a Believer.  |
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Post by howard lee on Sept 6, 2024 13:22:36 GMT -5
"Oh, and SESAC has Neal Diamond, so no 'Sweet Caroline,' either." No tragedy there.
Maybe not, but don’t forget that Neal Diamond also wrote I’m a Believer.
And Paul Simon and Bruce Woodley of The Seekers wrote "Red Rubber Ball."
Talk about flagrant lip-synching, Mister!
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Post by papabill on Sept 6, 2024 19:25:07 GMT -5
Nothing says 'credibility' like members of the entertainment industry endorsing politicians. Maybe they could exchange professions occasionally to make it interesting.
Taylor Swift for POTUS? Beyonce for Supreme Court Justice? Brad Pitt for VP? How about Whoopie Goldberg for Secretary of State?
Too bad the world of circus entertainment has faded out, otherwise politicians would make a good cast of clowns.
As for using songs for their campaigns... NO! It's simple, you either get permission or don't use it.
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