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Post by millring on Mar 10, 2014 14:13:47 GMT -5
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Post by Dub on Mar 10, 2014 14:38:10 GMT -5
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Post by patrick on Mar 10, 2014 15:52:20 GMT -5
Patrick - I already acknowledged that this is pure speculation on my part. The "responsible" media are being very careful not to connect any of these dots - and they should be, because sensitivities are involved, and I apparently have scraped some of yours. Sorry, didn't mean to. Just observing that the odds against (a) an airplane just happening to fall out of the sky with no warning, AND (b) two individuals with stolen passports being on that self-same airplane, seem astronomical. Now, if it turned out that the use of stolen passports is a lot more routine than most of us would think, because foreign airlines turn out not to be as careful about checking things like that as we are, then the odds would come down somewhat. In any case, in the absence of hard information (as yet), I'm just tossing around plausible scenarios based on facts that are known so far. As for targeting Muslims, I was just looking around for somebody who might have it in for the Chinese, since that was the nationality of most of the passengers, and the Uighurs would fill that bill quite nicely. BtW, I happen to greatly sympathize with the Uighurs. They are a conquered people who have been treated very harshly by the Chinese, and their so-called "autonomous region" is in truth a relic of Chinese imperialism. Uh-oh, there I go offending the Chinese. Look, I'm not accusing anyone or impugning anyone's motives. I just find that we've all been trained, when something like this happens, to search for the nearest boogie-Muslim to blame it on. I was just pointing that out. We don't know how many times a stolen passport gets used on a foreign flight, if they got caught, they'd be stopped. So it's entirely possible that it's common, and the unusual factor here is the plane disappearing. I actually find that last fact most interesting. It went down in shallow water, not far from land, and so far NO fragments have been found? That's just freaky. On CNN today, an airline safety expert was saying that a major problem with overseas airlines is the lack of extensive training for the pilots and copilots. He pointed out that in the 777, when something major (but recoverable) happens, all hell breaks loose in the cockpit with flashing lights everywhere and sirens sounding. If you haven't had a LOT of training in simulators, that can cause people to freeze up or start making stupid mistakes. As for who else uses stolen passports, the Mossad used forged passports from the United Kingdom, Ireland, France and Germany to go to Dubai and assassinate a Hamas official. They could also be used by just plain old run-of-the-mill criminals who don't want to be caught or surveilled.
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Post by TKennedy on Mar 10, 2014 17:47:10 GMT -5
Has anyone checked out alien abduction?
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Post by Doug on Mar 10, 2014 18:02:36 GMT -5
Has anyone checked out alien abduction? I did not do it. I waz jest incharge of the probing. I have take dougs body control. %&#@%$ZZZZPUQR
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Post by Chesapeake on Mar 10, 2014 18:21:23 GMT -5
... I just find that we've all been trained, when something like this happens, to search for the nearest boogie-Muslim to blame it on.... I emphatically plead not guilty. I've spent my entire adult life as a journalist trying to look beyond assumptions and stereotypes to discover quantifiable truth, however elusive it might be.
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Post by Chesapeake on Mar 10, 2014 19:06:08 GMT -5
Patrick - I love you man, but I think you are the one who's jumping to conclusions here, like I instinctively started looking for a Muslim to blame. I explained my logic in bringing up the Uighur theory - which btw I'm now increasingly hearing in mainstream media as a possibility if it does turn out to be terrorism. I am familiar with their history in western China, having done some writing about them, and some research for a book I hope to do involving western China, so I don't think it was unreasonable or some kind of reflex thinking that I made that connection.
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Post by jdd2 on Mar 10, 2014 19:23:33 GMT -5
Mystery fake-passport holders on flight MH370 were Iranian A BBC Persian report says that the two Iranians on the Malaysia Airlines plane had bought the fake passports in order to migrate to Germany and Denmark
By Arron Merat 10:57PM GMT 10 Mar 2014
The two men travelling on stolen passports on the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 that mysteriously disappeared on Saturday have been identified as Iranian nationals.
A BBC Persian report quotes an Iranian friend of one of the men, who said he hosted the pair in Kuala Lumpur after they arrived from Tehran in the days preceding their flight to Beijing.
The friend, who knew one of the men from his school days in Iran, said the men had bought the fake passports because they wanted to migrate to Europe.
The pair were travelling on passports belonging to Christian Kozel, an 30-year-old Austrian, and Luigi Maraldi, a 37-year-old Italian.
They had bought the passports in Kuala Lumpur as well as tickets to Amsterdam, via Beijing.
One of the Iranian nationals' intended final destination was Frankfurt, where his mother lives, while the other wanted to travel to Denmark. The same source that spoke to BBC Persian also emailed CNN with a photograph of him posing with his two friends in the days before they embarked on their fateful trip.
An editor at BBC Persian told The Telegraph that the two Iranians were “looking for a place to settle”.
Both Malaysia and neighbouring Thailand, where the passports were originally stolen, host large and established Iranian communities. US-led sanctions on Iran have plagued the economy and encouraged many young Iranians, who face high unemployment, to seek ways to travel to Europe, North America or Australia – legally or illegally.
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Post by patrick on Mar 10, 2014 21:33:02 GMT -5
Patrick - I love you man, but I think you are the one who's jumping to conclusions here, like I instinctively started looking for a Muslim to blame. I explained my logic in bringing up the Uighur theory - which btw I'm now increasingly hearing in mainstream media as a possibility if it does turn out to be terrorism. I am familiar with their history in western China, having done some writing about them, and some research for a book I hope to do involving western China, so I don't think it was unreasonable or some kind of reflex thinking that I made that connection. I understand, and I also understand the possible Uighur connection (btw, I'm reading an excellent book on Genghis Khan and the history of much of the Mongol Empire, which includes peripherally the Uighurs) but maybe I'm just over sensitive to people finding an Islamist connection to random stuff.
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Post by Village Idiot on Mar 10, 2014 21:48:22 GMT -5
Mystery fake-passport holders on flight MH370 were Iranian A BBC Persian report says that the two Iranians on the Malaysia Airlines plane had bought the fake passports in order to migrate to Germany and Denmark By Arron Merat 10:57PM GMT 10 Mar 2014 The two men travelling on stolen passports on the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 that mysteriously disappeared on Saturday have been identified as Iranian nationals. A BBC Persian report quotes an Iranian friend of one of the men, who said he hosted the pair in Kuala Lumpur after they arrived from Tehran in the days preceding their flight to Beijing. The friend, who knew one of the men from his school days in Iran, said the men had bought the fake passports because they wanted to migrate to Europe. The pair were travelling on passports belonging to Christian Kozel, an 30-year-old Austrian, and Luigi Maraldi, a 37-year-old Italian. They had bought the passports in Kuala Lumpur as well as tickets to Amsterdam, via Beijing. One of the Iranian nationals' intended final destination was Frankfurt, where his mother lives, while the other wanted to travel to Denmark. The same source that spoke to BBC Persian also emailed CNN with a photograph of him posing with his two friends in the days before they embarked on their fateful trip. An editor at BBC Persian told The Telegraph that the two Iranians were “looking for a place to settle”. Both Malaysia and neighbouring Thailand, where the passports were originally stolen, host large and established Iranian communities. US-led sanctions on Iran have plagued the economy and encouraged many young Iranians, who face high unemployment, to seek ways to travel to Europe, North America or Australia – legally or illegally. They don't sound like people who would bring down a plane. If they were aboard, their fake passports worked, so why not just sit tight?
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Post by Cornflake on Mar 10, 2014 21:49:14 GMT -5
"Has anyone checked out alien abduction?"
Yes. It was cool being transported up to the mother ship but, after I saw what they ate, I just wanted to get out of there.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Mar 10, 2014 22:14:07 GMT -5
Well, my impression is that the NSA is able to track everything. Or maybe the NSA only has US interests to look out for? Duh. It's not like your taxes are paying their salaries. Mike
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 22:25:43 GMT -5
I know that back in the '80s during the Cold War, the Continental U.S. (and other areas of the planet) were under AWACS surveillance 24/7, so when a plane went down, there was probably a record of its disappearance. The problem was, though, the USAF was reluctant to reveal the data (it was top secret) and when it did, the NTSB only had a couple of air safety investigators with security clearances high enough to review it. I knew one of them, and he often expressed frustration about the situation.
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Post by TKennedy on Mar 10, 2014 22:47:03 GMT -5
"Has anyone checked out alien abduction?" Yes. It was cool being transported up to the mother ship but, after I saw what they ate, I just wanted to get out of there. "To Serve Man" One of my favorites
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Post by jdd2 on Mar 11, 2014 2:22:58 GMT -5
Well, my impression is that the NSA is able to track everything. Or maybe the NSA only has US interests to look out for? Duh. It's not like your taxes are paying their salaries. Mike In general, no, but there have been a few times in the last decade that I have exceeded the form 2555 exclusion. For 2012 I wrote the IRS a check for about $2500.
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Post by billhammond on Mar 11, 2014 13:30:55 GMT -5
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Post by theevan on Mar 11, 2014 14:22:17 GMT -5
This is becoming the strangest case ever.
How does a 777 stop transponding? Is it possible to turn it off?
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Post by billhammond on Mar 11, 2014 14:34:57 GMT -5
I think it is possible, and now I am starting to wonder about "crazy pilot takes over flight." There is an interesting subplot -- the co-pilot of this flight was named in an Austrialian version of "A Current Affair" for an incident about two years ago, where he invited a woman and her friend into the cockpit for the entire one-hour flight they were on. She reported that the crew seemed to behave as though it was not unusual to do so, and she further said the crew was smoking the whole time.
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Post by Chesapeake on Mar 11, 2014 15:22:06 GMT -5
Everything I've seen to date indicates some kind of human interference as the only plausible explanation for everything that's known as of now. Terrorism, hijack attempt, crazy pilot, take your pick. Although one interesting suggestion that conceivably could happen without some deliberate act would be a sudden loss of air pressure for some mechanical reason, which could knock everybody including the crew out within a number of seconds. Maybe they were all unconscious during that whole second leg after they turned.
In any case, now that they're looking in the right part of the ocean, maybe they'll find it before too much longer.
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Post by Cornflake on Mar 11, 2014 15:29:16 GMT -5
Maybe a flock of Muslim geese flew into the jet engines.
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