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Post by billhammond on Oct 15, 2014 19:10:20 GMT -5
OK. Well all the "it's SO hard to catch" meme seemed to be to be trying too hard. I got suspicious. I'm not going to say that these developments confirm my suspicions, but they sure seemed to be trying too hard. Then again, mass hysteria could be worse than the disease. I just prefer to hear the real poop. Just lay it out. Some people will act accordingly. The rest won't. Maybe they weed themselves out... In case this might help: Q: Why do experts keep saying that people who flew from Cleveland to Dallas with the second Dallas victim are at little risk? A: People infected with Ebola aren’t contagious until they start getting symptoms, such as fever, body aches or stomach pain, research shows. So far, two infected travelers are known to have flown U.S. commercial airlines: The Liberian man who died in a Dallas hospital Oct. 8 wasn’t ill when he flew to the United States, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. So passengers on his United Airlines flights aren’t considered at risk. The nurse who flew Frontier Airlines from Ohio back to Dallas on Monday night wasn’t experiencing symptoms, either, the CDC said. But by Tuesday morning she had a fever, so everyone on her flight will be interviewed, and passengers determined to be potentially at risk will be monitored. CDC Director Tom Frieden says that’s for “an extra margin of safety.” Q: But what if I’m on a plane with someone who might have Ebola symptoms? A: Even if a traveler is already feeling sick, Ebola germs don’t spread through the air the way flu does. Ebola is transmitted through direct contact with bodily fluid, such as getting an infected person’s blood or vomit into your eyes or through a cut in the skin. Q: What if a sick person’s wet sneeze hits your hand and then you rub your eyes? A: Frieden allowed that, theoretically, “it would not be impossible” to catch the virus that way. But it’s considered highly unlikely. No such case has been documented. Frieden said “what actually happens in the real world” is that the disease is spread through much more direct contact with a sick person. Still, the CDC identifies someone who spends a prolonged period within 3 feet of a person who is sick with Ebola as a “contact” who should be watched for signs of catching it for 21 days. Q: Why are nurses, who supposedly wear protective gear and know how to avoid infections, catching Ebola? A: As Ebola patients get sicker, they become more and more infectious. The amount of virus in their bodily fluids climbs, and the disease progresses to projectile vomiting and extreme diarrhea, and sometimes bleeding. All the while, hospital workers are drawing blood, inserting IVs, changing diapers, wiping up. Q: So did their protective gear fail to work properly? A: Putting on a gown, gloves, hospital mask and clear face shield might not sound that hard. But once the equipment is contaminated, the steps for carefully removing each piece without infecting yourself are painstaking. It’s easy to slip up. Spanish health authorities suspect the assistant nurse there was infected after touching her gloved hand to her face while removing her gear. U.S. officials are still investigating what went wrong in Dallas. Frieden acknowledged that the CDC did too little to help the hospital train and protect its staff when they were confronted with the first Ebola case diagnosed in the U.S. Associated Press
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Post by Doug on Oct 15, 2014 19:25:36 GMT -5
There are deluded people who are moronically protesting about President Obola being to blame on their Facebook and those are people who have lost their rational, critical minds. Even though as far as we know all the Ebola has come in on airlines the TB invasion etc that is coming from the criminals crossing the southern border and being released has been tied in with one sickness being the same as another. So blaming Obama for the loose border and the loose border for the spread of sickness fits politically.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 19:27:56 GMT -5
I'm getting vibes from the margins that the President has an "agenda" connected with this outbreak. The "agenda" isn't really spelled out, but that line of thinking is hardly helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 19:28:35 GMT -5
Chilibill, according to FB thinks that Michele and Barack 'Ebola' brought the disease to the US (along with "Disgrace, lies and deceit, racial division/hatred" and a bunch of other mad shit.)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 19:32:37 GMT -5
Again, to what end, James? That's the part of the "agenda" I don't get. What's worse is that folks who I know to be very well educated and otherwise mostly rational are checking in on the side of, "Well, it could be." Just - - - wow.
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Post by Doug on Oct 15, 2014 19:33:49 GMT -5
Chilibill, according to FB thinks that Michele and Barack 'Ebola' brought the disease to the US (along with "Disgrace, lies and deceit, racial division/hatred" and a bunch of other mad shit.) I'd go along with the "Disgrace, lies and deceit, racial division/hatred" part but the Ebola part seems a little far fetched. Not that it would have been different with Romney "Disgrace, lies and deceit, racial division/hatred" is part of what governments do, in fact that is most of what governments do but left out stealing.
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Post by Doug on Oct 15, 2014 19:38:03 GMT -5
Again, to what end, James? That's the part of the "agenda" I don't get. What's worse is that folks who I know to be very well educated and otherwise mostly rational are checking in on the side of, "Well, it could be." Just - - - wow. If you want to find a reason for an "agenda" it is that every crisis is used to remove rights from the people and make the government more totalitarian. So manufacturing a crisis is good for the government just gives them more power. Government has been doing that for a long time, post War Between the States "the evil savages" was the justification for a standing army in violation of the Constitution.
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Post by Cornflake on Oct 15, 2014 19:46:59 GMT -5
Comment self-censored.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 19:50:45 GMT -5
Again, to what end, James? That's the part of the "agenda" I don't get. What's worse is that folks who I know to be very well educated and otherwise mostly rational are checking in on the side of, "Well, it could be." Just - - - wow. End times? I don't know. Religious fervour seems to be a regular theme.
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Post by Supertramp78 on Oct 15, 2014 20:25:22 GMT -5
Chilibill, according to FB thinks that Michele and Barack 'Ebola' brought the disease to the US (along with "Disgrace, lies and deceit, racial division/hatred" and a bunch of other mad shit.) I wouldn't know. I don't get his stuff on my FB feed anymore. In fact there are lots of people who no longer show up on my feed.
You are under no obligation to provide a forum for objectionable comments to show up on your feed. Nor are you under any obligation to respond, reply, read or even acknowledge people or comments you find objectionable. Just sayin'.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 20:38:18 GMT -5
I just find certain levels of horrid rubbish exasperating Cheney. (I saw a lot worse). You have shown, how a moderator's mind works in ways that are not like my mind. I'll be quieter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 20:39:17 GMT -5
Doug, do you think the President is importing ebola to create a crisis in order to strengthen the Federal Government's control over the people?
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Post by TKennedy on Oct 15, 2014 21:02:32 GMT -5
Meanwhile drunk driving and tobacco products continue to claim thousands of lives yearly. Ho Hum. Good thing there is not an Ebola lobby.
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Post by Cornflake on Oct 15, 2014 21:10:34 GMT -5
"You are under no obligation to provide a forum for objectionable comments to show up on your feed. Nor are you under any obligation to respond, reply, read or even acknowledge people or comments you find objectionable. Just sayin'."
I do much the same thing. Over time, I've disconnected people who regularly offended me and added people and sites that I find more congenial. (Like "Unfundamentalist Christians," which I think is terrific.) That makes visiting Facebook smoother. The problem is that we're all putting ourselves in information cocoons. We hear what reinforces our views and tune out what doesn't. I'm not being judgmental from on high--as I said, I do it--but it makes me uncomfortable when I consider where this may take us as a society. We'll hear what we want to hear and disregard the rest, as Sophocles once said, according to the internet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 21:13:57 GMT -5
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Post by Supertramp78 on Oct 15, 2014 21:20:43 GMT -5
I just find certain levels of horrid rubbish exasperating Cheney. (I saw a lot worse). You have shown, how a moderator's mind works in ways that are not like my mind. I'll be quieter. I'm not a moderator anymore. I wasn't very good at it. I'm just letting you know how I avoid having my brain hurt as much as it once did. Heh, I was going to post this long story about how I tend to write long posts and then delete them before posting because I figure nobody needs to read it. But I deleted it after I wrote it.
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Oct 15, 2014 21:24:23 GMT -5
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Oct 15, 2014 21:34:43 GMT -5
I have several Facebook friends who I have not "unfriended" but whose posts I have blocked from hitting my feed because too much of what they post makes me think unkindly of them. I will now and then check their sites directly and see what, if anything, they have posted that interests me. I acknowledge the snobbery of this approach, but I am old enough to think I've earned the right to avoid upsetting myself in the totally optional world of Facebook.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 21:51:07 GMT -5
There are deluded people who are moronically protesting about President Obola being to blame on their Facebook and those are people who have lost their rational, critical minds. Even though as far as we know all the Ebola has come in on airlines the TB invasion etc that is coming from the criminals crossing the southern border and being released has been tied in with one sickness being the same as another. So blaming Obama for the loose border and the loose border for the spread of sickness fits politically. Okay. you assert that TB is increasing from infected Central American refugees. Could you point us to a link? Could you also provide a link to where they are classified as "criminals", rather than as seems more recently the case, desperate refugees from the horrible prospect of rape or murder? Edit - Give Stockman a big kiss from me too. It'll be nice. Tell him it's not a nasty 'destroy America with horrible immigrant disease so Obama gets more power' kiss.
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Post by Russell Letson on Oct 15, 2014 22:48:34 GMT -5
The problem is that we're all putting ourselves in information cocoons. We hear what reinforces our views and tune out what doesn't. I'm not being judgmental from on high--as I said, I do it--but it makes me uncomfortable when I consider where this may take us as a society. We'll hear what we want to hear and disregard the rest, as Sophocles once said, according to the internet. There's a difference between ignoring the more demented or annoying comments of one's crazy relatives and acquaintances (or even friends) and sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "Nah nah nah I can't hear you" or only following sources that always and only confirm what you already believe to be true. We all filter what we pay attention to--it's all about where the levels are set--for reasonable signal to noise or just easy listening. (Somehow that last metaphor got mixed, but I'm too tired to put it in the centrifuge it and separate the components. Oh, drat--I just did another one.)
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