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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 19:51:53 GMT -5
That nonsense about "assassin" being related to "hashish" is bollocks too.
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Post by epaul on Nov 26, 2014 19:55:32 GMT -5
Not to say we don't need to get rid of bad cops. (but holy hell, what a rotten miserable job for a good cop to be in. the best way to survive is to not give a shit. and maybe take a little bit of gravy on the side.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 20:18:02 GMT -5
The entire neighbouring police force at Jennings of which Wilson was a member was disbanded for its levels of corruption and racial tensions. The bigger problems are systemic.
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Post by billhammond on Nov 26, 2014 20:30:20 GMT -5
The entire neighbouring police force at Jennings of which Wilson was a member was disbanded for it's levels of corruption and racial tensions. The bigger problems are systemic. And what is your assessment of the situation Wilson confronted that day, and the position the decedent placed himself in?
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Post by epaul on Nov 26, 2014 20:30:31 GMT -5
... In this case, the prosecutor did a number of things that are very unusual. For one thing, it is rare for the case for the defense to be presented to the Grand Jury. and the presenter was the prosecutor, essentially acting as the defense attorney. He punched holes in the testimony of his own witnesses and handled the defemse witnesses with kid gloves. Finally, it is a truism that a Grand Jury will indict a ham sandwich if the DA asks them to... There are those familiar with Grand Jurys who agree with this assessment. And there are a bunch who don't. It is opinion, (kid gloves? punched holes?) and I believe it is an opinion that is shared by a group that can be grouped by their opinions on quite few other social and political matters. And so it goes. There is a lot of analysis on this one. By bent and inclination. I trust my guy, Ron Rosenbaum, a St Paul lawyer, who comments on cases of interest for some Twin Cities media outlets (and Rosenbaum is a liberal, a good Democrat, and is smart, informed, experienced, and is balanced, thorough, and is very careful in his comments. Bill may know the guy. Sid certainly does.). And Rosenbaum said there were some unusual aspects to this case, as there always are, but that this Grand Jury process appeared to him to be fair, thorough and diligent. He was impressed with the responsibility this group of jurist demonstrated. His words, "Say what you will, and trust me, many will, this group clearly worked their tails off on this case."
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Post by Chesapeake on Nov 26, 2014 20:42:42 GMT -5
If the case had gone to trial, the outcome probably would have been the same, and I doubt we would be having this argument.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 20:43:33 GMT -5
The entire neighbouring police force at Jennings of which Wilson was a member was disbanded for it's levels of corruption and racial tensions. The bigger problems are systemic. And what is your assessment of the situation Wilson confronted that day, and the position the decedent placed himself in? My assessment is that the situation that Wilson confronted is undetermined and that the position of the decedent is also. Which is why I think a trial with cross-examination of witnesses and testimony and other evidence would have been better than the situation as it stands.
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Post by epaul on Nov 26, 2014 20:46:54 GMT -5
Vikings were fond of getting extremely drunk on mead before battle. And after battle. And during breaks in the battle. And after they were dead they continued drinking and fighting and drinking up in Valhalla.
(little known fact, "In Heaven There is No Beer, That's Why I Hope I Stay Clear" was written by Uhtred of Bebbanburg, a Viking by choice,if not birth)
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Post by millring on Nov 26, 2014 20:53:37 GMT -5
Vikings were fond of getting extremely drunk on mead before battle. And after battle. And during breaks in the battle. And after they were dead they continued drinking and fighting and drinking up in Valhalla. (little known fact, "In Heaven There is No Beer, That's Why I Hope I Stay Clear" was written by Uhtred of Bebbanburg, a Viking by Choice,if not birth) I LOVED that song. I wasn't as fond of the Mac Davis cover, though.
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Post by epaul on Nov 26, 2014 21:07:18 GMT -5
(James, you will be proud to know that Uhtred was English. Well, he would have called himself a Saxon. But, then, so can you.)
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Post by millring on Nov 26, 2014 21:10:54 GMT -5
That's what made England what it is: Saxon violence.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 21:15:37 GMT -5
I am indeed an Anglo-Saxon and best of friends with my German predecessors' descendants.
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Post by Russell Letson on Nov 26, 2014 21:17:43 GMT -5
I thought it was musical: Saxon violins.
Unless it was floral: Saxon violets.
Or a dark ages kitchen color scheme: Saxon violet. Goes nice with appliances in Looted Gold.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 21:27:26 GMT -5
Strictly speaking, my mum is Brazilian/Netherlands/Englishish.
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Post by epaul on Nov 26, 2014 21:37:42 GMT -5
If the case had gone to trial, the outcome probably would have been the same, and I doubt we would be having this argument. Oh yeah? Sez youse! .
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Post by Doug on Nov 26, 2014 23:09:52 GMT -5
I think maybe a solution to this type of problem would be smaller political divisions. If police lived in the same neighborhoods they patrolled I don't think you could have this kind of problem. Have to live in the city/county etc is a job requirement for many LEOs already. If the political division were smaller and the same rules applied the police and family would live in the community they patrolled.
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Post by Village Idiot on Nov 26, 2014 23:30:36 GMT -5
I agree with you, Doug. I know several Iowans who have moved because they have entered law enforcement and needed to live within a certain distance from their beat as a requirement for their job. Makes sense to me.
What I'm saying, however, has nothing to do with an opinion on the outcome of what is being discussed here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 23:57:17 GMT -5
One other thing. There is an opinion that people "trying" the case on Facebook/social media is a bad thing. What is the qualitative difference between Facebook threads and this one? Why are smart Facebook friends opinions less worthwhile? Why is this thread not comparable and as worthy of criticism as a sensible Facebook thread? Is this not discussing the matter, absent of all the information, in an internet forum?
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Post by Russell Letson on Nov 27, 2014 0:27:00 GMT -5
From where I sit, it's better because it's at least an obscure back room in an obscure pub where strangers rarely wander in--not private (the door's ajar), but certainly more comfortable than sitting out in the main room where all the world and his wife can eavesdrop, kibitz, horn in, and spill beer on the table. To paraphrase Randy Newman, you all may be fools, but you're my fools.*
(* Actually, and semi-seriously, tonight I was reflecting on what one might be thankful for in this season, and the Soundhole is on my list, not far below our cats and above my second-favorite fleece-lined slippers.)
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Post by Marshall on Nov 27, 2014 0:28:54 GMT -5
Good name for a band; Sax & Violins. . . . , except you'd have to include a sax and a violin, don't ya think?
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