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Cruzin'
Mar 25, 2015 18:50:35 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 18:50:35 GMT -5
Cruz, oh dear. No hope whatsoever. Will tear up the GOP as his appearance fees and book deal prices rise. I'll keep my powder dry for now.
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Cruzin'
Mar 25, 2015 18:52:34 GMT -5
Post by dickt on Mar 25, 2015 18:52:34 GMT -5
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Cruzin'
Mar 25, 2015 18:59:25 GMT -5
Post by millring on Mar 25, 2015 18:59:25 GMT -5
I don't read anything in that blog piece that contradicts the fact that he has to obtain insurance through an ACA exchange. And I read plenty that supports right in your link. It only offered up the possibility that he could choose his State's .gov exchange (just as Indiana accesses it). In fact, in the author's childish, couldn't-help-himself, spirit-of-a-snarking age in which all debates are won or lost on the ability to ridicule or deflect ridicule (thanks Stewart, et al), he emphasizes the very fact that Cruz has no other option.
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Cruzin'
Mar 25, 2015 19:00:18 GMT -5
Post by brucemacneill on Mar 25, 2015 19:00:18 GMT -5
"he's buying it the only way available to him and his family." and he has my sincerest sympathies. Hope he and his family stay well.
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Cruzin'
Mar 25, 2015 19:17:27 GMT -5
Post by jdd2 on Mar 25, 2015 19:17:27 GMT -5
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Cruzin'
Mar 25, 2015 19:49:45 GMT -5
Post by millring on Mar 25, 2015 19:49:45 GMT -5
When I accessed plans through the ACA there were countless plans I could have chosen from. Literally pages of them. Gold, Silver, Bronze, tied to HSAs, different deductables.....all decided on after finding out the amount of subsidy for which I was eligible. Cruz is ineligible by income for any subsidies.
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Cruzin'
Mar 25, 2015 20:30:54 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 20:30:54 GMT -5
No-hoper Cruz wishes to allow for gay people to be legally discriminated against for being gay. Fuck him. Next.
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Cruzin'
Mar 25, 2015 20:43:57 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by fauxmaha on Mar 25, 2015 20:43:57 GMT -5
We should all agree to not support any candidate that takes money from organizations that advocate stoning gay people.
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Cruzin'
Mar 25, 2015 20:58:03 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 25, 2015 20:58:03 GMT -5
Who says he has to buy insurance? From the article Dick linked:
Senator Cruz may not be as smart as people seem to think he is. He apparently doesn't understand that repealing Obamacare would mean that tens of millions of people would be without insurance again. Or maybe he just doesn't care about them. He certainly didn't feel bad about costing the rest of us $26 billion by shutting down the government over Obamacare.
I think it would be best if Senator Cruz and his family had no insurance at all. If he really believes what he's been saying publicly (he doesn't, of course) then he should have the balls to go through what millions of other families will go through if he gets his way with healthcare.
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Cruzin'
Mar 25, 2015 22:28:47 GMT -5
Post by majorminor on Mar 25, 2015 22:28:47 GMT -5
I'm sure my perspective is skewed but what I'm seeing here regionally is that Obamacare is not particularly popular. Red tape aside which has been epic, large blocks of lower and middle class people are feeling forced to buy catastrophic insurance that is pretty much useless until maybe possibly at some abstract point suddenly it isn't. Prices on these kinds of plans anyway just have simply not gone down and I'll keep an open mind but am betting the exchange plan price are going to go up 10-20% a year going forward just like they always have. I'm just hoping this cluster**** of a system is a stepping stone to something different or better.
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Cruzin'
Mar 26, 2015 5:33:54 GMT -5
Post by millring on Mar 26, 2015 5:33:54 GMT -5
I'm just hoping this cluster**** of a system is a stepping stone to something different or better. The maddening irony is that the very folks who cynically lied to the public to get it passed -- knowing all along that it was FOR THEM merely the very stepping stone (to single payer) that you're suggesting -- are now the most blindly allegiant to, and defensive of this new status quo.
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Cruzin'
Mar 26, 2015 6:10:23 GMT -5
Post by brucemacneill on Mar 26, 2015 6:10:23 GMT -5
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Mar 26, 2015 6:12:37 GMT -5
Post by jdd2 on Mar 26, 2015 6:12:37 GMT -5
68 plans and 112 options are a bigger obstacle than the great wall of china to single payer, not at all a stepping stone.
Single payer has about the same chance as a flat tax, or banning PACs, or repealing the mortgage deduction, or government funded elections, or sending people to Mars (even one way).
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Cruzin'
Mar 26, 2015 6:14:35 GMT -5
Post by jdd2 on Mar 26, 2015 6:14:35 GMT -5
(And I was going to say "has about the same chance as Ted Cruz," but you never know...)
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Mar 26, 2015 6:23:19 GMT -5
Post by millring on Mar 26, 2015 6:23:19 GMT -5
68 plans and 112 options are a bigger obstacle than the great wall of china to single payer, not at all a stepping stone. How do you mean that?
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Cruzin'
Mar 26, 2015 7:12:46 GMT -5
Post by drlj on Mar 26, 2015 7:12:46 GMT -5
I wondered how long it would take you to bring Jon Stewart into it.
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Cruzin'
Mar 26, 2015 7:29:55 GMT -5
Post by jdd2 on Mar 26, 2015 7:29:55 GMT -5
Well, I mean that single payer just isn't going to happen. Ever. (And I think that 68/112 was only gold plans.)
So positing single payer as being a stepping stone to something or other has no effect, no impact--nothing in the gut, and nothing in the mind.
I don't care if it's someone rattling their sabre about it (Cruz), or some self-stimulating dem.
It's never going to happen, and if more people realized that, and equally many realized that 'obamacare' is not going to be repealed, maybe something better would happen.
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Cruzin'
Mar 26, 2015 7:39:24 GMT -5
Post by millring on Mar 26, 2015 7:39:24 GMT -5
Hmm. And I'm inclined to think just the opposite. The longer we live with the byzantine complexity of "choice", the more we will welcome the simplicity of single payer. I know several very conservative thinkers who would prefer the European tiered system of single payer for all and deluxe insurance for those who can afford it and want better health care options. Premiums have escalated under the ACA with no end in sight. Sure, the masses don't so much realize this because of the subsidies, but the subsidies are paying for an ever escalating cost as our deficit and debt just keep going up and up (the deficit is only "down" when compared to the spike of 2008's Krugmanian "fix" to the economy, and the two subsequent "quantitative easing" measures. Once those anomalies are taken out of the equation, it's obvious that the deficit is still on the same trajectory it was on during the Bush years.)
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Cruzin'
Mar 26, 2015 7:43:12 GMT -5
Post by fauxmaha on Mar 26, 2015 7:43:12 GMT -5
Saying there are "68 options and 112 plans" (or whatever the numbers are) is really a deception. There is only one option: That imposed by Obamacare. Of the universe of ways that individuals and communities might structure their affairs, 99 44/100% of them are precluded by the law.
So, what you are left with is "68 options and 112 plans", all substantially identical, and all of them limited to the 0.0056% of the total market space the law allows.
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Post by mnhermit on Mar 26, 2015 7:45:12 GMT -5
Why won't single payer ever happen? Don't you think the healthcare system in this country is only going to get more expensive and complicated if we continue the way we have? Or are you convinced that if we haven't yet we never will? or are you saying that we (ammerikuns in general) are too stubborn(stupid) to do the rational? Or is it just too bizarre an idea for us to consider?
or are you just being ironic?
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