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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 13:06:09 GMT -5
Post by fauxmaha on Mar 27, 2015 13:06:09 GMT -5
Since when is everyone REQUIRED to go through ACA Since it became illegal to sell a non-ACA-approved health insurance plan. You don't have to buy on an exchange to be "required to go through ACA".
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 13:07:26 GMT -5
Post by Doug on Mar 27, 2015 13:07:26 GMT -5
Hitler invented Obamacare.
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 13:12:15 GMT -5
Post by aquaduct on Mar 27, 2015 13:12:15 GMT -5
Hitler invented Obamacare. So there really were death panels.
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 13:13:25 GMT -5
Post by Doug on Mar 27, 2015 13:13:25 GMT -5
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Mar 27, 2015 13:24:55 GMT -5
Post by Russell Letson on Mar 27, 2015 13:24:55 GMT -5
Russell doesn't have to beg assumptions--they come up to him, stropping his ankles and begging him to pick them up and pet them. But cagey, canny Russell knows that, unlike the domesticated neighborhood propositions he knows and loves, these creatures will bite and scratch and it will all end up in the ER with doctors tut-tutting as they administer IV antibiotics and deliver warnings about trusting feral arguments.
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 13:30:00 GMT -5
Post by Doug on Mar 27, 2015 13:30:00 GMT -5
Just get bit by one of those feral arguments and you become an instant anarchist.
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 13:39:54 GMT -5
Post by Russell Letson on Mar 27, 2015 13:39:54 GMT -5
I find that the infection tends to decay one's logical capacity to even lower levels. At least anarchism has a kind of primal coherence that (in some cases I observe) renders it proof against any invading meme. Feral logic leads to either opportunistic infection by stray ideologies or the complete breakdown of the rhetorical-analytical immune system. I witnessed its ravages in the late 1960s. Heartbreaking it was--O! the undergraduate humanity!
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 14:08:27 GMT -5
Post by brucemacneill on Mar 27, 2015 14:08:27 GMT -5
I find that the infection tends to decay one's logical capacity to even lower levels. At least anarchism has a kind of primal coherence that (in some cases I observe) renders it proof against any invading meme. Feral logic leads to either opportunistic infection by stray ideologies or the complete breakdown of the rhetorical-analytical immune system. I witnessed its ravages in the late 1960s. Heartbreaking it was--O! the undergraduate humanity! I thought you were in grad school by then.
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Mar 27, 2015 14:13:49 GMT -5
Post by Russell Letson on Mar 27, 2015 14:13:49 GMT -5
I was--and teaching undergrads. Or trying to, anyway. In addition to the logic and semantics that were part of the freshman-sophomore comp sequence, I included admonitions on the imprudence of throwing rocks at armed and helmeted police, even from the theoretical anonymity and (illusory) safety of a crowd.
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 14:48:45 GMT -5
Post by brucemacneill on Mar 27, 2015 14:48:45 GMT -5
I was--and teaching undergrads. Or trying to, anyway. In addition to the logic and semantics that were part of the freshman-sophomore comp sequence, I included admonitions on the imprudence of throwing rocks at armed and helmeted police, even from the theoretical anonymity and (illusory) safety of a crowd. "I find that the infection tends to decay one's logical capacity to even lower levels. " I thought you were talking from personal experience. I think it was the "Logical" that got me.
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Mar 27, 2015 14:56:29 GMT -5
Post by Russell Letson on Mar 27, 2015 14:56:29 GMT -5
I suppose what I was seeing back in '70 was the triumph of glands over reason. Now we know for certain that the brains of 19-year-olds are not yet fully wired up, with impulse control one of the items still on the to-do list. I was 25 and not only out of the neurological factory door but of a risk-averse disposition to start with. I wouldn't have messed with the cops on the bolshyest day of my life. (I might have moped at them, I suppose, or composed a rude limerick.)
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 15:01:11 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by theevan on Mar 27, 2015 15:01:11 GMT -5
All this, and yet no one is calling out Cruz for his rank hypocrisy in calling for the abolition of the IRS while still hypocritically paying his taxes. That's a disingenuous criticism. It's also not a good comparison. Better would be Cruz's call for the elimination of the IRS while calling for increased military spending, increased border control, increased deportation of illegals, Wait...so you think abolishing the IRS means the government won't be collecting tax revenue?
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Mar 27, 2015 15:07:35 GMT -5
Post by millring on Mar 27, 2015 15:07:35 GMT -5
That's a disingenuous criticism. It's also not a good comparison. Better would be Cruz's call for the elimination of the IRS while calling for increased military spending, increased border control, increased deportation of illegals, Wait...so you think abolishing the IRS means the government won't be collecting tax revenue?
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 15:08:57 GMT -5
Dub likes this
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 15:08:57 GMT -5
That's a disingenuous criticism. It's also not a good comparison. Better would be Cruz's call for the elimination of the IRS while calling for increased military spending, increased border control, increased deportation of illegals, Wait...so you think abolishing the IRS means the government won't be collecting tax revenue? Don't tell me the one Republican platform that I thought I could buy into isn't what I thought it was.
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 15:39:22 GMT -5
Post by brucemacneill on Mar 27, 2015 15:39:22 GMT -5
Wait...so you think abolishing the IRS means the government won't be collecting tax revenue? Don't tell me the one Republican platform that I thought I could buy into isn't what I thought it was. Cruz is talking about a flat tax which is simple and doesn't need a big bureaucracy to collect it.
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 15:56:02 GMT -5
Post by Cosmic Wonder on Mar 27, 2015 15:56:02 GMT -5
I just went to the Kaiser Permanente website, they will sell me a plan without going through Obama care or any state run deal. It's probabaly an aporoved plan, but at least in OR, you don't have to go through the Goverment site. Unless you are 65 or older, then, you will need to sign up for Medicare. Unless, like me, you have insurance through your work group. I turn 65 tomorrow, but I'm not signed up for Medicare because my employer doesn't seem to care and I'm covered.
Mike
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 15:56:29 GMT -5
Post by fauxmaha on Mar 27, 2015 15:56:29 GMT -5
That's a disingenuous criticism. It's also not a good comparison. Better would be Cruz's call for the elimination of the IRS while calling for increased military spending, increased border control, increased deportation of illegals, Wait...so you think abolishing the IRS means the government won't be collecting tax revenue? Careful, there. You just bumped into one of his begged assumptions.
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 16:03:05 GMT -5
Post by patrick on Mar 27, 2015 16:03:05 GMT -5
Since it became illegal to sell a non-ACA-approved health insurance plan. You don't have to buy on an exchange to be "required to go through ACA". So everyone who has ever bought health insurance in the US since health insurance was ever regulated by any level of government has had to "go through" the laws in effect at the time? Tragic.
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 16:14:22 GMT -5
Post by fauxmaha on Mar 27, 2015 16:14:22 GMT -5
It is if the law prevents you from buying the type of insurance you'd like.
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Cruzin'
Mar 27, 2015 16:29:21 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 16:29:21 GMT -5
Don't tell me the one Republican platform that I thought I could buy into isn't what I thought it was. Cruz is talking about a flat tax which is simple and doesn't need a big bureaucracy to collect it. Yeah, I get that now. So under Cruz not only would I not get to quit paying taxes, but I'd get a regressive tax where the poor pay more, I may or may not pay more (probably less in the initial stages to get acceptance, and then afterward adjusted upward), and the rich pay less? It sounds like a Republican wet dream. Maybe I should run for President. I have nothing against the IRS, and I wouldn't consider stoking anger against government as part of my stategy, but if I was to run and I abolished the IRS, my plan would work out a lot better. There would be a reason for eliminating the IRS. There would be a payoff. Maybe I should call it Flat NoTax.
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