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Post by Doug on Aug 1, 2015 19:19:13 GMT -5
I remember learning it from the record and learning it in the same key but I would have to listen to it again to know for sure. I listened. Key of E using C forms capo on 4th fret. Doesn't change anything but satisfied my curiosity. Carry on. As many different recordings of that as Dylan has done I'd guess it changes from time to time, but I haven't dug out each version. From Wikipedia
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Post by jdd2 on Aug 1, 2015 19:37:07 GMT -5
But then the big question: Was it really him playing guitar on that?
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Post by coachdoc on Aug 1, 2015 22:06:34 GMT -5
Dylan definitely has the rudimentary chops to pull it off well.
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Post by drlj on Aug 1, 2015 23:05:25 GMT -5
The version I listened to and used to learn it many, many, many years ago, in the last century to be exact, was from The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan and it was released in 1963.
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Post by jdd2 on Aug 2, 2015 0:51:08 GMT -5
Dylan definitely has the rudimentary chops to pull it off well. That was in jest, and there is no doubt the guy could play, and I believe he did. But I've also read less favorable reports than this from wikipedia: 50-year old memories of stuff like this aren't very reliable.
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Post by coachdoc on Aug 2, 2015 6:23:19 GMT -5
I have no idea if he did or didn't play the guitar part. I just think back then he could, and that he would find it awkward to sing it without playing it.
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Post by brucemacneill on Aug 2, 2015 6:31:05 GMT -5
Did Dylan "Sing" back then? I don't remember him "Singing".
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Post by coachdoc on Aug 2, 2015 6:34:22 GMT -5
Point well made. But he did very effectively convey the gestalt of his songs.
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Post by Dub on Aug 2, 2015 9:18:03 GMT -5
Todd, I have rheumatoid arthritis that affects my wrists most of all so I am always dealing with this issue and tolerating some discomfort. I'm always thinking of ways to avoid pain and most of them have to do with keeping my wrist as straight as possible all the time. Here are some ideas that I think will really help. They violate "classical" form but unless you're J or Evan you won't be needing that anyway.
First, as we've discussed before, don't hold your guitar straight across your body. Push the neck out away from you. This will help keep your wrist straight.
As people already advised, make your G chord without using your index finger.
Make your full C chord using your ring finger to note both C on the A string and G on the E string.
Make your full F chord using your thumb to catch F on the sixth string and your ring finger to note both B on the A string and E on the D string. Then the tip of your index finger notes C on the B string and F on the E string. Remember any "slop" that occurs below the highest fretted not on a string won't matter.
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Post by Village Idiot on Aug 2, 2015 12:37:51 GMT -5
Thanks!
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Post by Village Idiot on Aug 2, 2015 19:55:55 GMT -5
Thanks to you guys, I've got it down now. It wasn't using the barred F, not because working on it was a pain in the butt but because the "cheating" F (thumb over the sixth string) required less movement. What I did:
1. Took time to think about what I was doing. 2. Even though I've always made a conscious effort to hold the neck away from me. Dub and I have talked about this, I've done it ever since, but I needed the reminder as today I notice I was allowing the head to creep in a little closer. 3. Played the G chord without the index finger. That was the biggie. 4. Took time to think about what I was doing.
I'll be able to play this just fine in a couple weeks if I keep at it. It was well worth it, however, to ask about this and to get everyone's thoughts. Even though I'm not using all of the suggestions they are things that I will work on, and it's high time I find something new. For example, even though I'm not going to barre the F, I'm still going to work on being able to do so. Thanks so much, all!
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Post by drlj on Aug 2, 2015 20:07:15 GMT -5
A lot of players play F and grab the 6th string F with their thumb. You are in good company if you do it that way.
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Post by jdd2 on Aug 2, 2015 20:38:46 GMT -5
A lot of players play F and grab the 6th string F with their thumb. You are in good company if you do it that way. Yes, a lot of players do. Especially those with narrower-nutted acoustic guitars, something less than 1-3/4". And some of those players do the same thing on up the neck, fretting the sixth string with their thumb at the 3rd or 5th fret, or even higher. But I don't. Look at the pic again: The first/index finger there is just waiting around** until it needs to barre an F chord, and for the fully barred F (tho there is more finger rearrangement than going to a C), your two middle fingers are not too far away from where they'll need to be for an F: If you can't do the full barre (or don't need it), well, go back to the other way of doing it. Sometimes tho, you do need the low F, the power chord version. >> One big disadvantage of the full barre is that it's almost impossible to play an Fmaj7 chord with it. On the other hand, once you can barre the F, the rest of the neck will become your wonderland. **I'd suggest that in the pic it is dangling too far away from the fingerboard. The thumb should be much lower around at the back center of the neck, and the unused index finger should be closer to the board, ready for some hammer-ons or a coming F chord.
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Post by Village Idiot on Aug 2, 2015 21:07:51 GMT -5
On the other hand, once you can barre the F, the rest of the neck will become your wonderland. That is what I am hearing, and why I will be working on it.
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Post by drlj on Aug 2, 2015 21:22:27 GMT -5
A lot of players play F and grab the 6th string F with their thumb. You are in good company if you do it that way. Yes, a lot of players do. Especially those with narrower-nutted acoustic guitars, something less than 1-3/4". And some of those players do the same thing on up the neck, fretting the sixth string with their thumb at the 3rd or 5th fret, or even higher. But I don't. Look at the pic again: The first/index finger there is just waiting around** until it needs to barre an F chord, and for the fully barred F (tho there is more finger rearrangement than going to a C), your two middle fingers are not too far away from where they'll need to be for an F: If you can't do the full barre (or don't need it), well, go back to the other way of doing it. Sometimes tho, you do need the low F, the power chord version. >> One big disadvantage of the full barre is that it's almost impossible to play an Fmaj7 chord with it. On the other hand, once you can barre the F, the rest of the neck will become your wonderland. **I'd suggest that in the pic it is dangling too far away from the fingerboard. The thumb should be much lower around at the back center of the neck, and the unused index finger should be closer to the board, ready for some hammer-ons or a coming F chord. I said a lot of players do it. I did not say I do.
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Post by jdd2 on Aug 2, 2015 21:40:24 GMT -5
LJ--didn't mean that to sound personal ((and don't think it did)). Sorry! A lot of very good players still use the thumb on top--I was agreeing with you.
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Post by drlj on Aug 2, 2015 21:55:06 GMT -5
LJ--didn't mean that to sound personal ((and don't think it did)). Sorry! A lot of very good players still use the thumb on top--I was agreeing with you. Oh, I understand that. I did not take it as anything else. I was about to post more of a description when the phone rang so I did not have time to finish what I was going to say. No big deal. I was going to mention that after 50 years of playing, barre chords are just 2nd nature. It takes time, but one day it just becomes easy. It will for Todd, too. My leaving my post unfinished for 15 minutes or so made it sound different than I intended. You and I were actually saying the exact same thing. Sorry if leaving things unfinished for a while made it sound like something else. That is a big OOOPS for me!
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Post by Dub on Aug 3, 2015 8:48:13 GMT -5
JDD said:
I think what he really may mean is that once you can play closed (no open strings) chords, the rest of the neck will become your wonderland. Thumbed chords are just as moveable as barred chords.
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Post by millring on Aug 3, 2015 8:52:07 GMT -5
I have arrangements that only work if the F is barred and I have arrangements that only work if the F is held down with the thumb.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Aug 3, 2015 8:52:53 GMT -5
I played it on the stereo yesterday. It was easy, just press play.
You're welcome Todd.
Mike
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