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Post by jdd2 on Feb 21, 2017 18:46:50 GMT -5
I didn't look at it as fake news, just hilarious.
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Post by james on Feb 21, 2017 18:52:07 GMT -5
I said it was slowed down. It is blindingly obvious that it's slowed down and it actually does enable the listener to reflect on the glaringly stupid and banal words he utters a little more easily. It is not anything like my 'definition of fake news' such as the clip itself contains, that Clinton sold 20% of the US's uranium to Russia for them to make bombs with. Edit - some Snopes stuff about that. www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/
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Post by billhammond on Feb 21, 2017 19:01:22 GMT -5
I said it was slowed down. It is blindingly obvious that it's slowed down and it actually does enable the listener to reflect on the glaringly stupid and banal words he utters a little more easily. No, it is a slowed-down clip that renders the result to sound like someone who is drunk, and it has a "Three-Martini" title and it has nothing to do with what Trump said, it is only a vehicle designed to make him sound like a drunken deplorable. Never mind what he might have been saying. A very nasty clip. You could slow down an Obama speech in similar manner and he would sound like Foster Brooks and foolish. And to be clear, when I invoked "fake news" I was not suggesting that anyone would take this slowed version as real, I was just saying it plays right into the hands of the fake-news position that the White House is taking on this and other issues.
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Post by james on Feb 21, 2017 19:15:34 GMT -5
Maybe the title should have been something more along the lines of 'teetotaller Trump slowed down sounds like drunk guy at bar at 3am'. That'd fix some of the issues perhaps. It's quite hard to find Obama similarly slowed down. There's a short one. Perhaps I'll have a more exhaustive search tomorrow.
Edit - Further mitigation/awkward squirming. I initially tried to post a slightly shorter clip of the same bit of the press conference two times. It was on FB though, without that title. I couldn't do it so I went on YouTube and searched for slowed down Trump clips posted in the last day. That one was the closest to the FB one. I didn't reflect as long as I perhaps ought to have on the title.
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Post by billhammond on Feb 21, 2017 19:38:38 GMT -5
All I am saying, James, is that there is no merit in devising a contrived version of Trump's actual on-video words. Let them speak for themselves and let everyone interpret them as they will.
And I reiterate my opinion that this video is a shameful cheap shot.
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Post by jdd2 on Feb 21, 2017 19:40:17 GMT -5
Read the transcript of that, which subtracts his delivery, and it feels more like the slowed down video than the original.
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Post by james on Feb 21, 2017 19:45:06 GMT -5
I did a edit.
Edit - Bill, I am not side-stepping your comments without consideration. I do get your point. Although I may be a bit 'gloves off' in my responses if Mr. Yiannopoulos's praises should be sung here.
Edit - rephrased a question as a statement.
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Post by lar on Feb 21, 2017 20:13:49 GMT -5
What rankles me is that sooner or later these discussions often morph into meaningless arguments like the one about the drunken Trump video. There is way too much of that stuff going around. None of them mean anything and none of them prove anything. Quite a few of us know each other personally and I think that by and large we like and respect each other . . . until it comes to things like memes and dumb videos.
Over the course of the past 8+ years I've noticed that what happens in this group mirrors what seems to be happening in much of our society today; we are so eager to "prove" (there is a reason for the quotes) our point that we stop listening to differing points of view. When we disagree we often resort to name calling and there is a lot of snide banter that does more than suggest that the target is a much less than desirable person.
I wouldn't say this about much of the outside world but within this forum there are a lot of intelligent, knowledgeable, well-read people with strong opinions and a wish to share those opinions. The level of discourse on this forum is generally of high caliber until someone get's his/her undies in a bunch and can't avoid telling off someone else.
I'm tired of the crap about Obama that I've seen over the past 8 years. I don't care what some of my well-meaning and intelligent friends say, Obama was NOT committed to handing over this country to the Muslims. Most of the Obama memes I saw were out and out lies. Or they were extremely misleading. I'm seeing the same thing about Trump. That kind of stuff is beneath this group. Be critical. But be fair and even-handed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 20:27:20 GMT -5
What rankles me is that sooner or later these discussions often morph into meaningless arguments like the one about the drunken Trump video. There is way too much of that stuff going around. None of them mean anything and none of them prove anything. Quite a few of us know each other personally and I think that by and large we like and respect each other . . . until it comes to things like memes and dumb videos. Over the course of the past 8+ years I've noticed that what happens in this group mirrors what seems to be happening in much of our society today; we are so eager to "prove" (there is a reason for the quotes) our point that we stop listening to differing points of view. When we disagree we often resort to name calling and there is a lot of snide banter that does more than suggest that the target is a much less than desirable person. I wouldn't say this about much of the outside world but within this forum there are a lot of intelligent, knowledgeable, well-read people with strong opinions and a wish to share those opinions. The level of discourse on this forum is generally of high caliber until someone get's his/her undies in a bunch and can't avoid telling off someone else. I'm tired of the crap about Obama that I've seen over the past 8 years. I don't care what some of my well-meaning and intelligent friends say, Obama was NOT committed to handing over this country to the Muslims. Most of the Obama memes I saw were out and out lies. Or they were extremely misleading. I'm seeing the same thing about Trump. That kind of stuff is beneath this group. Be critical. But be fair and even-handed. Isn't that the problem with all hyper partisanship? Everything moves in cycles. Pendulums eventually swing the other way. It may seem very clever to treat your opponent this way but in a few years, he's turning it all back on you and even more spitefully and thus it spirals into an ever worsening situation.
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Post by epaul on Feb 21, 2017 20:29:45 GMT -5
All I am saying, James, is that there is no merit in devising a contrived version of Trump's actual on-video words. Let them speak for themselves and let everyone interpret them as they will. And I reiterate my opinion that this video is a shameful cheap shot. Looks like fake hands as well. Something was done to shrink Trump's hands (and lower arms and shirt cuffs) ((trick lens or photo-shopped head?)). Regardless of how much one might enjoy or approve of this cheap shot, it should be recognized for what it is if you are to keep your brain from rotting away into a blop of partisan glop.
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Post by aquaduct on Feb 21, 2017 20:45:41 GMT -5
What is a six sigma genius? It's a statistical term. The standard deviation of a population is represented by the Greek letter sigma. In a normal distribution 99.999999% of the data points are within 6 sigmas of the mean. This is used in quality control and all kinds of statistical analysis. Colloquially it refers to something at the very boundary of theoretical possibility. A six Sigma genius is a genius that's off the chart smart.
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Post by james on Feb 21, 2017 20:53:21 GMT -5
I thought that the exchanges about the Trump video were not so much a "meaningless argument" as a fairly reasonable and civil discussion of some of the bounds of acceptable political discourse. Epaul's egregious, low blow handism on the other..erm.. hand....
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Post by jdd2 on Feb 21, 2017 21:18:32 GMT -5
What is a six sigma genius? Six sigma is also backwards-looking. It won't tell you how to come up with the next hot product or iPhone. Traditional quality control people also suggest that only its terminology is new. And as Bruce hinted at, large companies that have adopted it have lagged the S&P 500.
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Post by Shannon on Feb 21, 2017 21:18:41 GMT -5
Sadly, the only New Yorkers you seem to know is Howard and he's incredibly nice for a New Yorker. Trump is the common fast talking sarcastic New Yorker you'd meet on the street, in a New York Minute. I dunno. Nearly every New Yorker I met in my several trips there was quite nice and helpful (not as nice and helpful as Howard, but few are). It was one of many pleasant surprises I found in NYC.
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Post by james on Feb 21, 2017 21:27:41 GMT -5
I haven't been to New York for a few years now. I always rubbed along reasonably well with it's good citizens despite many of them no doubt thinking me a wanker. I shared a cab with Gene Simmons' landlady one time and she was slightly hard work. I think she was an exception or temporarily over-stressed though. Oh, there was that aggressive fella in a Midtown Manhattan bar but he was fine after a conciliatory beer and a revealed, shared appreciation for Sebastian Unger's Perfect Storm book.
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Post by Russell Letson on Feb 21, 2017 21:30:16 GMT -5
Indeed. I went to college with a lot of New Yorkers, mostly from Manhattan and Brooklyn, and while they wouldn't have been mistaken for country-mouse upstaters, they were good guys and gals. (Just don't play pool with them for money.) Now, guys from New Jersey, that's a whole different ballgame. (Ducks behind sofa.)
Of course, a huge number of "New Yorkers" came there from small towns and cities, hoping to Make It, and some of them are avante-everything hustlers desperate for the kind of offhand cosmopolitanism that comes naturally to native New Yorkers. I'm told Brooklyn is crawling with 'em.
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Post by james on Feb 21, 2017 22:06:08 GMT -5
A little bit of upbeat news - Muslim-American activists raise more than $20,000 in 2 hours to repair vandalized Jewish cemeteryTwo Muslim-Americans activists launched a crowdfunding campaign Tuesday to raise money to repair a historic Jewish cemetery in St. Louis that was vandalized over the weekend. Within two hours, the fundraising campaign started by Linda Sarsour and Tarek El-Messidi had already surpassed its goal of $20,000. "Through this campaign, we hope to send a united message from the Jewish and Muslim communities that there is no place for this type of hate, desecration, and violence in America," the crowdfunding webpage read. theweek.com/speedreads/681522/muslimamerican-activists-raise-more-than-20000-2-hours-repair-vandalized-jewish-cemetery
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Post by lar on Feb 21, 2017 22:28:50 GMT -5
I thought that the exchanges about the Trump video were not so much a "meaningless argument" as a fairly reasonable and civil discussion of some of the bounds of acceptable political discourse. Epaul's egregious, low blow handism on the other..erm.. hand.... My opinion of the Trump video is much the same as all of the Obama memes and videos I've seen over the past 8 years and a lot of the Hillary stuff that was passed around during the campaign. I found it mean spirited. If my thinking that the video and the text that accompanied it could not have been intended to promote rationale discourse was wrong, I apologize. I don't think it's reasonable or fair to portray someone in the way that the video did. Trump says and does enough things to promote criticism.
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Post by james on Feb 21, 2017 22:42:56 GMT -5
It seemed to me not unacceptable to counter Fauxmaha's repeated insistence that Trump is a genius. I have owned, after Bill's comments, my regret for some aspects of the video I posted. If in future I decide to illustrate what a colossal doofus Trump's words demonstrate him to be, I may, as jdd2 suggests, post transcripts. They do indeed illustrate the fact more painfully obviously than the YouTube clip I posted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 22:45:41 GMT -5
"Trump says and does enough things to promote criticism."
Who doesn't?
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