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Post by david on Feb 23, 2017 17:07:43 GMT -5
Jeff, Your characterization of "nothing but pure harassment" is perhaps more misleading than the Washington Post headline. Yeah, but I'm just a guy who drinks too much gin at lunch and blabbers about crap on the Internet. I'd hope expectations of me are lower than the WaPo. Jeff, my expectations for you are higher than Wash Post. I think that your posts are usually insightful and thoughtful. |
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Post by fauxmaha on Feb 23, 2017 17:12:53 GMT -5
Yeah, but I'm just a guy who drinks too much gin at lunch and blabbers about crap on the Internet. I'd hope expectations of me are lower than the WaPo. Jeff, my expectations for you are higher than Wash Post. I think that your posts are usually insightful and thoughtful. :: smooch:: All the same, if the WaPo thinks it is pushing back against the whole "fake news" and "enemy of the people" thing, they are doing it wrong. |
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Post by aquaduct on Feb 23, 2017 17:48:00 GMT -5
Is it that big a step from dirt in public waters to arson on public land (Hammonds), and all that followed? Yes. One's gardening in your backyard and the other's a felony. |
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Post by epaul on Feb 23, 2017 18:54:25 GMT -5
There is no way to mine without disrupting the environment. That’s what mining does. That what farming does. That’s what trapping a pesky gopher does. What can be done and what is needed to be done is a balancing act, a judgement call, an area of contention, compromise, and something else that starts with “C” and sums it all up nicely… calculation? Certainly not caprice, anyway.
Mining is regulated. Streams, lakes, and rivers are cleaner than they were thirty years ago. And the threats most of them do face aren’t from the highly regulated mining practices in this country. Now that I’m safely retired, I can say that farming practices are number one, two, three, four and five on the list (and they are scantily regulated). And sneaking up assiduously on the rail, the pharmaceutical trace elements that eventually make their way into our waters every time we take a medicated piss, and this is an issue we don’t have a good grasp on or current means of eliminating.
[Sidetracked. Start over.]
Mining is regulated. Obama threw on some extra ones near the end of his reign that were controversial. The needed, wise, prudent and necessary is not easily known or decided. But, whatever the facts and issues involved with mining regulations are, they are not accurately or usefully represented by headlines and Facebook blurbs that describe Trump as okaying the dumping of mining waste into our streams and rivers. That kind of headline is fine for a Greenpeace fundraiser, but it sure doesn’t reflect the issue honestly or fairly... or serve the needs of a public that in one way or another eventual determines policy.
Long story short, Obama, by fiat, greatly increased the power and authority of an EPA he had spent his time in office shaping by appointment and outlook. Maybe this was good and needed. Or maybe it turned excessive with an out of whack harm to benefit ratio. Regardless, now the folks that got run over by presidential fiats are at the wheel. Might be bad, might be good, might not make a whole lot of difference in the long haul. But describing the roll backs of some controversial initiatives pushed through by Obama when he was polishing up the chrome on his legacy as a trashing of the environment and everything good that has been done since 1973 or whatever is either dirty politics or ill-informed hysteria.
Humans have an effect on the environment. The degree to which we curtail or change the things we do as humans is that push and shove, back and forth business I opened this post with. One side of this push and shove had a pretty good run at it during Obama’s reign. Now the side that had its nose rubbed in the dirt has their turn with the ball. But, despite the hue and cry of those who are currently hueing and crying, there is no question that the question at hand isn’t whether or not the environment should be protected, the question is how, how much, and how soon (really, that is one question). Some will say the answer is completely and right now. They get a medal. Others will have a very different answer. They will make the medal. Others are standing in middle wondering.
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Post by patrick on Feb 23, 2017 20:09:22 GMT -5
You see, I never asked about Trump. I never asked about what Trump said a couple of days ago. I asked if there was a riot yesterday. From my idiot sister and you guys, I got answers about Trump. Biased? I rest my case. That may have something to do with the fact that you asked in a thread specifically discussing Trump and his comments about the press and his comments about Sweden. |
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