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Post by theevan on Jul 4, 2017 17:40:00 GMT -5
You aren't going to fix this through violence. Quite right. The only fix in my mind is a widespread Christian revival. I'm guessing others might not agree. A free society cannot long survive a descent into a non-moral or even amoral way of life.
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Post by millring on Jul 5, 2017 7:54:09 GMT -5
A thought about police fitness and demographics: If we're going to miltarize the cops, we might want to consider applying military standards of physical fitness on the ones in the field. Col. Paul, ret., might have some actual information on the theory and practice of such standards. (From my safe perch on the living-room sofa, our deployed guys in the Middle East look a lot healthier than the 40-something cops I encounter. The younger ones, though, look like they might be up to a foot chase.) Policies, politics, and rules of engagement, of course, are separate cans of worms. You really believe that the criminal element armed in response to the militarization of the cops and not the other way around?
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Post by dradtke on Jul 5, 2017 8:47:29 GMT -5
More guns equals a safer society.
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Post by theevan on Jul 5, 2017 9:05:14 GMT -5
Widespread adherence to common moral standards make for a safe society.
Absent the above, only the fear of consequences will quell bad behavior. And the fear of consequence is only maintained by the consequences being harsh enough, sure enough, and speedy enough to act as a deterrent.
Then again, some will never give a shit, no matter what.
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Post by AlanC on Jul 5, 2017 11:01:30 GMT -5
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Post by millring on Jul 5, 2017 13:39:26 GMT -5
I liked the first edition.
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Post by theevan on Jul 5, 2017 14:04:51 GMT -5
Dang, I missed it.
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Post by AlanC on Jul 5, 2017 14:42:36 GMT -5
Nothing to see here, folks, move along.
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Post by millring on Jul 5, 2017 14:56:33 GMT -5
Nothing to see here, folks, move along. Who's the chick in the Sunbeam?
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Post by billhammond on Jul 5, 2017 15:04:29 GMT -5
Nothing to see here, folks, move along. Who's the chick in the Sunbeam? I am very impressed that you got the car brand right!
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Post by Russell Letson on Jul 5, 2017 15:12:44 GMT -5
The only fix in my mind is a widespread Christian revival. I'm guessing others might not agree. A free society cannot long survive a descent into a non-moral or even amoral way of life. And for those of us outside Christianity--or any other religion? How do we manage to maintain our moral sense? (This without the problem of "whose Christianity?" Or "why not Islam or Buddhism or Judaism?") Hint: Some of us see religion not as a cause of moral sense but an effect of it. Even Dante recognized the existence of virtuous pagans--he had to design an annex for them.
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Post by fauxmaha on Jul 5, 2017 15:14:55 GMT -5
I really don't care if someone is a true believer Christian or not. But it is generally a good thing when everyone acts (even if pretending) like they are.
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Post by epaul on Jul 5, 2017 16:37:28 GMT -5
I hate to sound like a broken record on this, but it is a simple fact that the entire Christian moral ethos was lifted pretty much intact from the early Norsk. Of course, they got rid of some of the really fun stuff and prettied it up some, they were Christians, after all, but the essential something, the seed, is Norsk. SKOAL!
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Post by millring on Jul 5, 2017 16:58:10 GMT -5
An anagram of "Norsk" is "Knockers".
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Post by Village Idiot on Jul 5, 2017 17:20:23 GMT -5
You aren't going to fix this through violence. Quite right. The only fix in my mind is a widespread Christian revival. I'm guessing others might not agree. A free society cannot long survive a descent into a non-moral or even amoral way of life. I'm not disagreeing and I'm not shooting down your idea. But how would such a thing get legs and move forward?
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Post by theevan on Jul 5, 2017 18:38:13 GMT -5
I really don't care if someone is a true believer Christian or not. But it is generally a good thing when everyone acts (even if pretending) like they are. Right.
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Post by theevan on Jul 5, 2017 18:41:08 GMT -5
Quite right. The only fix in my mind is a widespread Christian revival. I'm guessing others might not agree. A free society cannot long survive a descent into a non-moral or even amoral way of life. I'm not disagreeing and I'm not shooting down your idea. But how would such a thing get legs and move forward? It can't. It won't. There aren't enough brakes in the world to stop our downward slide from civility into chaos. 911 slowed us down a few miles per hour for what, a few weeks? Somehow I don't think asking everybody to play nice is going to make much difference. That's my Sunny outlook for the day
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Jul 5, 2017 19:08:30 GMT -5
Quite right. The only fix in my mind is a widespread Christian revival. I'm guessing others might not agree. A free society cannot long survive a descent into a non-moral or even amoral way of life. I'm not disagreeing and I'm not shooting down your idea. But how would such a thing get legs and move forward? k Well, I guess that leaves it to me to disagree and shoot down that idea. The thought of Christians being the moral arbiters of our age gives me the heebie geebies. A better solution to me would be good governance, ethical police, and a well run justice system. How hard can that be? Mike
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Post by millring on Jul 6, 2017 4:24:24 GMT -5
The concept that good government makes good people is the philosophical foundation of fascism. Good government doesn't make good people. That's got it 160o backwards.
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Post by jdd2 on Jul 6, 2017 5:04:35 GMT -5
The concept that good government makes good people is the philosophical foundation of fascism. Good government doesn't make good people. That's got it 160 o backwards. Can I invert/flip a couple things there so as to explain how we got trump?
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