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Post by millring on Dec 10, 2019 10:02:41 GMT -5
To press this Malcolm Gladwell thing even further: The Impeachment Hearings are a fiasco, because everyone in Congress is by definition a Northern. They believe the system works. You may be correct, but only if by "the system" you are also including the information industry. I'm pretty sure the confidence that the Congress is feeling (if they are, indeed, feeling confidence) is in the fact that with their partners in the press they have effectively completely controlled the narrative as the American public that they care about understands it. They question remains as to whether or not they are correct, or if there are sufficient deplorables out in flyover country to surprise the Democrats and their press once again.
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Post by Marshall on Dec 10, 2019 10:07:27 GMT -5
Sufficient Deplorables - Good band name.
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Post by Marshall on Dec 10, 2019 11:43:05 GMT -5
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Post by casualplayerpaul on Dec 10, 2019 14:35:02 GMT -5
I read a review of his new Richard Jewell movie today, and it made the point that in typical Eastwood fashion, he didn't lionize Jewell. He presented him as a flawed, complex character, just like the rest of us. Got me thinking back to other Eastwood directed movies, and I realized that that is a trademark of his. William Munny was a bad guy, but he was the good guy. Which gets me to wondering if that is part of the secret to Trump's success. Maybe that much is obvious...we are inundated with pols who present carefully polished public images...and Trump breaks the mold. Flamboyantly. His frequent braggadociousness is met with horror from those who think they are watching a Northern, yet enthusiastically embraced by those who are enjoying the Western. To extend the Eastwood metaphor, much of the success of Trump is due to the ability to beat his opposition at thier own game. Look at all he's accomplished. It isn't just that it's great, it's also that he's pushed it through the Administrative State gate keepers that never thought they could be outsmarted. And he hasn't waffled or wandered off message. Just look at how he's changed the courts. Including the Supremes. And then think about how much more damage he'll be able to do to the status quo in his next term. A gunfight against overwhelming odds and when the smoke clears, he's the only one standing. Smoking that same stub of a cigar. Trump wouldn't know the difference between Neil Gorsuch and Neil Young. He has done what he was told to do in this area. No more. No less.
Stephen Miller or some other assshat told him who would make the base happy. That was that.
Rubio, Cruz or any of the other GOP candidates from 2016 would have done exactly the same thing regarding the courts and would have picked exactly the same pre-approved Federalist Society judges at every level, and McConnell would have rammed them through the Senate.
Trump has done what he was told to do in this area. No more. No less.
Overwhelming odds? Please.
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Post by aquaduct on Dec 10, 2019 14:41:55 GMT -5
To extend the Eastwood metaphor, much of the success of Trump is due to the ability to beat his opposition at thier own game. Look at all he's accomplished. It isn't just that it's great, it's also that he's pushed it through the Administrative State gate keepers that never thought they could be outsmarted. And he hasn't waffled or wandered off message. Just look at how he's changed the courts. Including the Supremes. And then think about how much more damage he'll be able to do to the status quo in his next term. A gunfight against overwhelming odds and when the smoke clears, he's the only one standing. Smoking that same stub of a cigar. Trump wouldn't know the difference between Neil Gorsuch and Neil Young. He has done what he was told to do in this area. No more. No less. Stephen Miller or some other assshat told him who would make the base happy. That was that.
Rubio, Cruz or any of the other GOP candidates from 2016 would have done exactly the same thing regarding the courts and would have picked exactly the same pre-approved Federalist Society judges at every level, and McConnell would have rammed them through the Senate.
Trump has done what he was told to do in this area. No more. No less.
Overwhelming odds? Please. My guess is if it was that easy somebody would have figured out how to do it before now.
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Post by Russell Letson on Dec 10, 2019 15:09:10 GMT -5
Actually, McConnell figured out how to do it during the Obama Administration--he just didn't have the equipment needed to transform it from a barrier into a bulldozer.
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Post by aquaduct on Dec 10, 2019 15:13:35 GMT -5
Actually, McConnell figured out how to do it during the Obama Administration--he just didn't have the equipment needed to transform it from a barrier into a bulldozer. So to repeat, it's really all about Trump, isn't it.
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Post by casualplayerpaul on Dec 10, 2019 15:29:42 GMT -5
Actually, McConnell figured out how to do it during the Obama Administration--he just didn't have the equipment needed to transform it from a barrier into a bulldozer. So to repeat, it's really all about Trump, isn't it. Trump is a power mad criminal, but the judge thing is all McConnell Also a power mad criminal, he still ought to get the credit he earned.
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Post by fauxmaha on Dec 10, 2019 15:51:07 GMT -5
Actually, McConnell figured out how to do it during the Obama Administration--he just didn't have the equipment needed to transform it from a barrier into a bulldozer. The moral of the story is never bring Harry Reid to a Cocaine Mitch fight. It's not as if he didn't warn them.
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Post by aquaduct on Dec 10, 2019 16:02:10 GMT -5
So to repeat, it's really all about Trump, isn't it. Trump is a power mad criminal, but the judge thing is all McConnell Also a power mad criminal, he still ought to get the credit he earned. By the way, how's that emoluments thing working out for you?
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Post by fauxmaha on Dec 10, 2019 16:09:43 GMT -5
Actually, McConnell figured out how to do it during the Obama Administration--he just didn't have the equipment needed to transform it from a barrier into a bulldozer. The moral of the story is never bring Harry Reid to a Cocaine Mitch fight. It's not as if he didn't warn them. PS: If you really want a chuckle, there are any number of clips from news stories back when Reid went nuclear proclaiming the glories of "getting rid of gridlock" and "finally we'll get things done" and isn't it great that finally McConnell has been put in his place.
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Post by aquaduct on Dec 10, 2019 16:12:17 GMT -5
The moral of the story is never bring Harry Reid to a Cocaine Mitch fight. It's not as if he didn't warn them. PS: If you really want a chuckle, there are any number of clips from news stories back when Reid went nuclear proclaiming the glories of "getting rid of gridlock" and "finally we'll get things done" and isn't it great that finally McConnell has been put in his place. Well, nobody will be able to say they weren't warned. Although bunches of folks will try.
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Post by millring on Dec 10, 2019 16:17:48 GMT -5
I wonder what will happen with a senate trial? Right now those who only follow the national press don't even know the players beyond their narrative.
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Post by aquaduct on Dec 10, 2019 16:21:46 GMT -5
I wonder what will happen with a senate trial? Right now those who only follow the national press don't even know the players beyond their narrative. They need 2/3's to convict. The only outstanding question is how long will Trump be allowed to piss on Democrat's heads.
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Post by Dub on Dec 10, 2019 16:40:57 GMT -5
I wonder what will happen with a senate trial? Right now those who only follow the national press don't even know the players beyond their narrative. They need 2/3's to convict. The only outstanding question is how long will Trump be allowed to piss on Democrat's heads. I assume everyone, even including House Democrats, knows how this will turn out. It’s like trying to get Big Jim Bill Thompson to arrest Al Capone.
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Post by casualplayerpaul on Dec 10, 2019 16:58:29 GMT -5
Russians are in the White House lying about interfering in our elections and being backed up by our Sec of State. If this were a movie script it would be tossed out as absurd.
How the Dems landed on only two articles is beyond me.
The best just goes on.
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Post by brucemacneill on Dec 10, 2019 17:01:09 GMT -5
Russians are in the White House lying about interfering in our elections and being backed up by our Sec of State. If this were a movie script it would be tossed out as absurd. How the Dems landed on only two articles is beyond me. The best just goes on. They didn't want to lose by a landslide. They still might though.
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Post by Dub on Dec 10, 2019 17:08:26 GMT -5
Russians are in the White House lying about interfering in our elections and being backed up by our Sec of State. If this were a movie script it would be tossed out as absurd. How the Dems landed on only two articles is beyond me. The best just goes on. I suspect the articles are limited because trying to address every “high crime and misdemeanor” would drag this out past the election. Even if Trump was convicted and tossed (not going to happen), he could still run for another term. If convicted of a felony, he wouldn’t be the first presidential candidate to run from a jail cell.
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Post by jdd2 on Dec 10, 2019 17:34:18 GMT -5
... Even if Trump was convicted and tossed (not going to happen), he could still run for another term. ... It isn't going to happen, but there is a way to bar running again.
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Post by aquaduct on Dec 10, 2019 17:45:41 GMT -5
Russians are in the White House lying about interfering in our elections and being backed up by our Sec of State. If this were a movie script it would be tossed out as absurd. How the Dems landed on only two articles is beyond me. The best just goes on. I suspect the articles are limited because trying to address every “high crime and misdemeanor” would drag this out past the election. Even if Trump was convicted and tossed (not going to happen), he could still run for another term. If convicted of a felony, he wouldn’t be the first presidential candidate to run from a jail cell. I suspect they stopped at 2 because there weren't any high crimes or misdemeanors and adding bogus charges will only drag the process out in the Senate. It's already probably going to extend beyond Super Tuesday which puts some serious butt hurt in 5 or 6 of the Democrat's presidential hopeful's campaigns. More a rock and a hard place thing.
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