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Post by casualplayerpaul on Jan 31, 2020 14:17:01 GMT -5
“Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office.”- Marco Rubio. "Trump committed high crimes and misdemeanors." Marco Rubio, translated.
Jesus. These people.
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Post by TKennedy on Jan 31, 2020 14:46:23 GMT -5
After being given a face saving way out by Alan D everybody on the Republican side seems willing to accept the fact that he did what he was charged with and it was not that great an idea but not impeachable.
A total acquittal? How about one with an asterisk. Bad boy, but not that bad, you’ll still get your supper.
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Post by brucemacneill on Jan 31, 2020 16:01:43 GMT -5
Back in the old country a man was innocent until proven guilty. If acquitted, he remained innocent.
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 31, 2020 16:10:48 GMT -5
Back in the old country a man was innocent until proven guilty. If acquitted, he remained innocent. Still works in this country. Some folks value their own opinion enough to think they can wish it otherwise.
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Post by dradtke on Jan 31, 2020 16:34:21 GMT -5
Back in the old country a man was innocent until proven guilty. If acquitted, he remained innocent. Like OJ.
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Post by coachdoc on Jan 31, 2020 16:38:49 GMT -5
Is it over yet? I'm done. C'mon November.
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 31, 2020 16:40:51 GMT -5
Is it over yet? I'm done. C'mon November. Essentially. Nothing left but burying the body.
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Post by millring on Jan 31, 2020 16:41:28 GMT -5
You folks want a dark, yet realistic prediction? I predict that going forward, the house impeaching any president from the opposition party will become the new normal. Toothpaste doesn’t get stuffed back into the tube, ever. Yup, that's exactly what the White House council has been saying-- to deaf ears.
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Post by casualplayerpaul on Jan 31, 2020 17:24:07 GMT -5
You folks want a dark, yet realistic prediction? I predict that going forward, the house impeaching any president from the opposition party will become the new normal. Toothpaste doesn’t get stuffed back into the tube, ever. Yup, that's exactly what the White House council has been saying-- to deaf ears. Ah, yes, the Ken Starr "we impeach too much" rationale. Trump really put an A-team together for this. Maybe it's hard to find lawyers who know that their client will end up stiffing them?
To suggest that any President should not face consequences for the abuse of power that some of Trump's own lawyers are admitting occurred is bizarre.
The GOP- Rubio, Sasse and Lamar at least- are now saying the quiet parts out loud. We know he is guilty, we don't think it matters.
That ought to be a winning issue in November.
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Post by millring on Jan 31, 2020 17:57:08 GMT -5
If the Democrats and their press win this one, we are finished as a country.
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 31, 2020 18:14:39 GMT -5
If the Democrats and their press win this one, we are finished as a country. At some point they just become annoying whiny shitheads. That point came about two years ago.
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Jan 31, 2020 18:15:51 GMT -5
If the Democrats and their press win this one, we are finished as a country. I didn’t vote for Trump, and I’m no republican, but I agree. I just went back to look at the house votes. I think the votes on each side tell the whole story. All the votes to impeach were D and all the votes not to were R, save for 2 D defectors. I think Trump is sketchy, but I don’t think he’s any shadier than the denizens of past administrations. The entrenched have become so corrupt and partisan that they will weaponize anything they can get their primal hands on to engage in a turf war. It’s a sad state of affairs.
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Post by Marshall on Jan 31, 2020 18:15:51 GMT -5
If the Democrats and their press win this one, we are finished as a country. Looks like it's over anyhoo. (the impeachemnt. Life goes on.)
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Jan 31, 2020 18:18:41 GMT -5
Looks like it's over anyhoo. (the impeachemnt. Life goes on.) "Given the partisan nature of this impeachment from the very beginning and throughout, I have come to the conclusion that there will be no fair trial in the Senate. I don’t believe the continuation of this process will change anything. It is sad for me to admit that, as an institution, the Congress has failed,” said Murkowski, R-Alaska, a key moderate senator who has been closely watched on the witness question.
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Post by millring on Jan 31, 2020 18:20:09 GMT -5
If the Democrats and their press win this one, we are finished as a country. I didn’t vote for Trump, and I’m no republican. Me too.
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Post by millring on Jan 31, 2020 18:21:13 GMT -5
Looks like it's over anyhoo. (the impeachemnt. Life goes on.) "Given the partisan nature of this impeachment from the very beginning and throughout, I have come to the conclusion that there will be no fair trial in the Senate. I don’t believe the continuation of this process will change anything. It is sad for me to admit that, as an institution, the Congress has failed,” said Murkowski, R-Alaska, a key moderate senator who has been closely watched on the witness question.Damn her for making it sound like the Democrats and their press played fair.
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Post by Marshall on Jan 31, 2020 18:31:00 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. The process went as you expected and the people you don't like lost, and the people you like better than the people you don't like won, and you're upset about it. Makes sense. PS - Have some Freedom Fries. It's Fryday.
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Post by brucemacneill on Jan 31, 2020 18:33:49 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. The process went as you expected and the people you don't like lost, and the people you like better than the people you don't like won, and you're upset about it. Makes sense. PS - Have some Freedom Fries. It's Fryday. One can win and still be unhappy with the way the game was played.
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Post by millring on Jan 31, 2020 18:37:51 GMT -5
The process went as you expected And that is depressing beyond words. and the people you don't like lost No, it's not whether or not I "like" them, and they didn't lose. They won the minimum that they wanted. They poisoned American politics. They were merely thwarted from hitting the jackpot. and the people you like better than the people you don't like won No, they won nothing. They merely prevailed for now.
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Post by Cornflake on Jan 31, 2020 19:12:24 GMT -5
This is one where people here are on different planets.
The most thought-provoking comments I read today were by Lamar Alexander. I paraphrase. He didn't want to hear more witnesses because it was clear that the President did what he was accused of and they don't need to hear any more witnesses to reach that conclusion. That seems sensible.
The real difference, Alexander said, was over the "so what." He didn't think what the President did rose to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors. I disagree emphatically. I think it was outrageous and I'm unmoved by the suggestion that it doesn't exceed some normal level of corruption. I don't think we should have an acceptable level of corruption and if we did I think this would exceed any plausible norm.
Alexander also said that removing the President would exacerbate our cultural wars. He may be right about that. In trying to understand those who disagree with me, I've considered the view that in a few months the people can decide directly whether they want to accept this kind of behavior from a leader. That's better, in and of itself, than having our representatives make the decision. The downside is that we'll establish a precedent that our President can ask for a little mordida from foreign leaders before he'll carry out our laws. That's not a good thing.
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